now the white house isis tellin them to take a chill pill, that the costs won't be going up as much as they say. what about how much thos prices have already risen? premiums for families on average up around $2,000. and that is just since the health care law became law. so it seems like those price spikes are already here. we can debate

now the white house isis tellin them to take a chill pill, that the costs won't be going up as much as they say. what about how much thos prices have already risen? premiums for families on average up around $2,000. and that is just since the health care law became law. so it seems like those price spikes are already here. we can debate. all right, charles,o debating where they've come from and they'v've already moved up markedly. what do you make of them? >> listenwe're on the cusp of a world of hurt. there are too many stories out there from all parts of the country, premiums going through the roof, we've already become part-time nation, small businesses of hunkering down. and every single day, by the way, they're still cobbling this thing together. we're hearing more. $20 this, and $90 this. it's going to be an unmitigated nightmare and it's already begun. >> ben stein, what do you think of what you've seen thus far? >> i'm horrified. in california, insurance premiums are skyrocketing. some of the big insurers saying they're going to leave the state altogether. when the obama admini