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begins. >> reporter: the 2012 elections brought good news to wisconsin democrats. president obama carried the state for a second time, and the party won 174,000 more votes for the state assembly than republicans. but that did not mean democrats would control the state assembly. in fact, republicans wound up with 60 of the 99 seats. 61% of the seats after winning only 49% of the votes. was that because so many democrats were clustered in urban districts in madison and milwaukee? bill whitford didn't think so. the retired law professor and lifelong democrat believed the way the district lines were drawn had effectively rigged the election. >> the value that's clearly at stake is that majorities should rule. democrats got a majority in the statewide assembly vote and they got less than 40% of the seats in the assembly. i mean that made it very clear that we had no chance. >> reporter: whitford is the lead plaintiff in a lawsuit asking a federal court to strike down a legislative map because of a partisan gerrymander, and last year a district court agreed. while both pa

the wisconsin legislature aren't going to do it. politicians will never do it. the court must step in. the wonderful plaintiffs who stood up for this case, they stood up and we need people in our history and society to stand up for what is right. we are hopeful today that the supreme court hears you out here and heard us in there to make sure they rise to the occasion, that they stop the extreme gerrymandering in its tracks, because we know that politicians won't do it and the american people are crying out for a solution on both sides of the aisle. republicans and democrats overwhelmingly say to the supreme court, step in and do something, even if it costs my party seats in the legislature. they know that it's unfair. they know that it's undemocratic. let's hope today is just the beginning of the end of the basic practice of gerrymandering us into submission. thank you for your support. [applause] >> show me what democracy looks like! >> this is what democracy looks like! >> show me what democracy looks like! >> this is what democracy looks like! >> show me what

but muzzle loader season, let me check with the wisconsin muzzle leader season, our goal is to get it by the end of this year. >> i thought you were giving it up. >> we'll give up christmas if we have to for tax reform. that's what i said before. you're going to quote me on that. i'm joking about that. we're going to get this done. look at casey, you guys are -- you're staying here with us too. yeah. just kigdding. that's what conference committees are all about. thank you, everybody. appreciate it. >> all right.

the war in vietnam. i was a freshman in wisconsin then. hen later i received an induction notice, marietta kid, i was not in the war, i have never been to vietnam before. how could i write about it? i had to go. and that was the first mission i had. of collected come with me. >> host: the characters people will see in the search for the battlefield include clark welch. >> guest: my wife was there, rob keefe, an actor in new york who provided great relief among other things. and c-span obviously. >> host: let's show our viewers what the day looks like and reaction to some of these. >> executing a few turns at intersections that were not apparent on every map, made it to an unmarked part of the battlefield. >> none of this is populated like this. there were no houses. >> no buildings. if they sympathized with the vc they couldn't live here because the americans would kill them. if you sympathized with the americans the vc would kill them. >> we went on the road until i got impassable, then got out and walked. >> we should go straight ahead he

>> the short answer on the wisconsin case because that's the one brought my bike group , we argued in wisconsin before the court next month is that is a challenge to overly partisan, what's called gerrymandering, drawing lines to favor one party and make sure that the other doesn't get a majority. it has been illegal for some time to district lines to hurt minorities. but it has not been considered unconstitutionalto do so to hurt the other party , so what you have is people in government ensuring their party maintains control by choosing their voters. rather than the voters choosing the candidates. and california has had reform and nonpartisan redistricting . the case out of wisconsin comes from a state legislature, in this case it was the republican party that did it but in illinois the democrats do exactly the same thing in my view this is not a partisan issue, this is a basic government rights issue, our right to be able to elect representatives without having those districts hand-picked and drawn. the short answer in wisconsin is this was a republican gerrymander. they used compu

their party has been punished by the law of the state of wisconsin. and i think that the -- the standing issue ought to be satisfied by the description of what our claim is, which comes right out of justice kennedy's concurrence in vieth where -- this is on page 86-a of the jurisdictional statement, the white appendix. it's just a two-sentence description of our claim: "first amendment concerns arise where a state enacts a law that has the purpose and effect of subjecting a group of voters or their party to disfavored treatment by reason of their views. in the context of partisan gerrymandering, that means that first amendment concerns arise where an apportionment has the purpose and effect of burdening a group of voters' representational rights." so the group is -- is the targeted people, those are the people who have the injury, the injury to their first amendment interests, and anybody in the group has -ought -- should be able to -- to bring a first amendment argument saying - justice kagan: mr. smith. chief justice roberts: mr. smith -do you have s

the state of wisconsin is appealing the lower court's decision. this is an hour. we'll hear argument first this morning in case 16-1161, gill versus whitford. mr. tseytlin? mr. tseytlin: mr. chief justice, and may it please the court: this court has never uncovered judicially manageable standards for determining when politicians have acted too politically in drawing district lines. plaintiff's social science metrics composed of statewide vote to seat ratios and hypothetical projections do not solve any of these problems. and hypothetical projections do not solve any of these problems. they were merely shifting districting the final courts who decided the fate of maps based upon panels of experts. on a threshold matter, this court should hold the courts jurisdiction to entertain statewide political gerrymandering challenges, leaving district specific gerrymandering. >> i think it is true there is no case that directly helps respondents strongly on the standing issue. you have a strong argument. suppose the court -- you have to assume we will know exactly the parame

we will be live from to state capitals, look for us at the texas book festival in austin and the wisconsin book festival in madison and later we will be live from miami-dade college for the miami book fair. authors will include alfred can, best-selling for walter isaacson, nbc news katie couric and many more. for information about upcoming book fairs and festivals and to watch previous festival coverage, click the book fairs tab on our website, booktv.org. >> you are watching book tv on c-span2, television for serious readers. we are at the paris hotel for freedom fest libertarian convention where we are interviewing authors speaking here. up next with us, michael medved. here's his most recent book, "the american miracle: divine providence in the rise of the republic". mister medved, what was your goal with this book? >> my goal was to answer a fundamental question that i think has profound consequence to all our politics and all our culture and the way americans feel about our country. the question is how did america rise to world dominance? it would have been unpredictable from the pers

because the age of consent in wisconsin is 16, the 14-year-old girl couldn't agree to have sex with zackr interviews with police paint a complicated story of that september night. >> how does all this make you feel? >> i feel like a bad person. >> why do you feel like a bad person? >> i wanted to wait for a long term relationship when i was older. >> to protect the identity of the alleged victim, we're blurring her face and altering her voice. >> my mom and dad are very disappointed in me. i didn't want to make the decision, but it kind of happened. >> did he make you feel like afraid of him? you felt like you had to go along? >> kind of. he's kind of a forceful person. he kind of like pressures and pressures and pressures until you finally do something. >> okay. >> i do feel for her, you know. she was a freshman. he was a popular senior. she didn't want to upset this popular boy. i mean these two barely even interacted in person, and then there they were having sex. so, you know, it's not a black-and-white case. but the big question is does zack deserve to possibly go to prison and be o

i have nothing further. >> according to the law in wisconsin, whether or not the alleged victim agreedt matter. all the prosecutor must prove is that zach was 17 when he had sex with someone under the age of 16. >> zach you knew [ bleep ] was under 16 years old, right? >> yes. >> you knew she was 14. >> yes. >> she was a freshman? >> yes. >> at your high school where you were a senior? >> yes. >> and you had sexual intercourse with her? >> yes. >> i don't have anything else. >> no one disputes the facts. zach was 17 when he had sex with a 14-year-old. but the real question is does the punishment fit the crime? >> our system will allow you to go back into that deliberation room and go in with the understanding you're going to evaluate this case with your mind and with your heart and do what you think is the right thing to do and you'll have proven really that our system works and it works quite well. that you are all the conscience, a conscience that can be used to prevent unjust convictions. so whenever you think about the age difference between zach and [ bleep ], they're a lot alike.

now, the second quarter, wisconsin on top. 7-3. jonathan taylor had 126 yards on the day. that put wisconsin up 14-3. 38 seconds left in the lf alex off the play action finds a wide open neville for anally yard score. third quarter, horny brook to a.j. taylor. wisconsin up by 24. they hand maryland their third straight loss. 38-13 the final. >>> homecoming in charlottesville, virginia playing boston college for the first time in seven years. first quarter, eagles by three. thad smith in motion, takes it to the outside. reaches the end and he's out of here. blows by the cavalier defense. 76 yards for a touchdown. b.c. up by 10. just two minutes later, anthony brown sets up a quick screen. white picks up a couple nice blocks. no virginia defenders even remotely close. back-to-back 76-yard touchdowns by the eagles. 17-0. they spoil homecoming for uva, 41-10. virginia falls to against boston college. >>> there was a tough test for ken and navy at home against 20th ranked university of central florida. pick it up in the third. perry takes it 75 yards to the house. a.b. with only

you know, you talk to the voters out in wisconsin through the chris jansing piece and see what happenedof people didn't feel like we were fighting for them inm michigan, pennsylvania and wisconsin. >> and they still don't. >> we are demonstrating now, but it's not just about 2018. we are organizing now in 2017 to demonstrate the dnc is getting that message out on the ground in new jersey, in virginia n washington, all across the country right now. >> why do you think, michael, that the message has not trickled down to the people on the ground in wisconsin, who clearly are not seeing what you're talking about? >> i think, in large part, we are getting too distracted by the tweets and noise that is happening in these feeds. and our job it's to be to make sure we are communicating to people all over the country. chairman perez was in wisconsin engaging with the wisconsin democrats recently, to say we need people to be mobilizing on the ground. i was just recently in virginia where you have 43 women running for office, democratic women running for office as delegates. the opportunities are

announcer: this week, the supreme court heard oral arguments in a case challenging partisan gerrymandering in wisconsin. a lower court ruled that the map drafted by states is unconstitutional. this oral argument, gill versus whitford -- gill v whitford, is one hour. >> we will hear arguments this morning in case 161161, gill versus whitford. >> mr. chief justice, and may it please the court. judiciously manageable standards for how politicians have acted too politically. andal science metrics hypothetical projections do not solve any of these problems. they were merely shifting districting the final courts who decided the fate of maps based upon panels of experts. on a threshold matter, this court should hold the courts jurisdiction to entertain statewide political gerrymandering challenges, leaving district specific gerrymandering. >> i think it is true there is no case that directly helps respondents strongly on the standing issue. you have a strong argument. suppose the court -- you have to assume we will know exactly the parameters of it -- decided this was a first amendment issue. not an equal pro

, if the court affirms the lower court ruling in wisconsin, it will be establishing the principle that partisan politicians and special interests can no longer are rig the system by manipulating voting maps. [applause] [laughter] the action from the supreme court could reduce costly litigation and also set a clear standard that headaches it clear to state -- that makes it clear to state legislatures as they're drawing maps here is the line you cannot cross. in america no liberty is more fundamental than the right to freely choose our representatives through voting. when politicians manipulate the rules and choose their voters instead, it leads to dysfunction, and legislative bodies that do not care about their constituents. it is time to end this practice. thank you very much. [applause] >> so we're going to go into a few other p chants. this one is hey, hey, ho, ho, gerrymandering has to go. >> hey, hey,ho, ho, gerrymandering has to go. >> hey, hey, ho, ho, gerrymandering has to go. >> we're tired of your -- [inaudible] stop your gerrymandering. >> we're tired of yo

[crowd noise] >> tonight, the supreme court oral arguments in a case challenging partisan gerrymandering in wisconsin. a discussion about russian efforts to influence u.s. elections. and from washington journal, a look at the effect of the republican tax reform proposal on the national debt. week the supreme court heard oral arguments in a case challenging wisconsin'd partisan gerrymandering of its congressional district map. a lower court ruled the not drafted by the state'd for public and legislature is unconstitutional. this argument is one hour. we will hear arguments this gillng in case 161161, versus whitford. >> this court has never uncovered judiciously manageable standards for how politicians have acted too politically. andal science metrics hypothetical projections do not solve any of these problems. they were merely shifting districting the final courts who decided the fate of maps based upon panels of experts. on a threshold matter, this court should hold the courts jurisdiction to entertain statewide political gerrymandering challenges, leaving district specific gerrymandering. >> i thin

election, the university of wisconsin surveyed voters and some of the democratic strongholdsn. they found over 11% of registered voter who is didn't vote in 2016 were, quote, deterred in some way by the voter i.d. law because they lacked i.d., they believed they lacked i.d. or they were told at the polls their i.d. didn't qualify as valid. well, 11% in the counties translates to as many as 45,000 people in those democratic strongholds of wisconsin who might have been discouraged from voting by the new voter i.d. law. 45,000. hillary clinton lost wisconsin by 22,000 votes. so voter i.d. might account for more than the margin of votes by which she lost? in july 2014, u.s. attorney general eric holder called wisconsin's voter i.d. law pernicious and misguided. he said it was likely to, quote, impose significant barriers to most basic right of our democracy. here's a programming note. monday night, i'm pleased to say eric holder will be here live for the interview on this show. i have a ton to ask him about. this is his first live television interview since the election of donald

the study discussed by one of , he produced 200 randomly generated maps of wisconsin using all of the state's traditional criteria. he started with the districts already drawn by the state in 1943 and kept them in place. then he generated randomly some maps and found the degree of i rated by the political geography was my needs. mop -- was minute. not even remotely like what they have in the map. >> would it be fair to require plaintiffs to provide those maps , many of them so that one could tell whether the actual map is an outlier? >> i think the case is going forward after the technologies are there will be in the record. whether it ought to be something the plaintiffs have to produce as part of their initial case. it could be done that way. a couple briefs that show people who developed the capacity for developing random maps that teach you about the lessons of the criteria of where people live allow you to say that has nothing to do with a degree of bias that we had here. i think it will become part of how the cases are decided at the justification stage. it may also become evide

this came as the justices inside the court heart arguments for and against the wisconsin voting district. jonathan: turn theat in the caribbean where planes just landed at the joint base andrews. right now this is packed with the donations for the puerto rico's victims of hurricane maria. they are in need. local group collected all the supplies. our cheryl conner shows us what is on board and what it took to get this together. >> ready to ship. donations are leaving joint base andrews and heading to puerto rico. >> trying to keep it consolidated. >> the basics. diapers, food, water. they landed here thanks in part to airman first class, anderson who less than a week ago he is started to volunteer -- she started volunteering with an organization that formed to help the island following hurricane maria. >> i started folding shirts. they gave me a small job. i was just getting to know the environment to see how i could help out. >> her help was the right connection to get items to the right hands. >> i reached out to anyone who could help me out. >> so far two planes landed at joint base an

wisconsin? not nebraska? actually, it was quite specific. ring was sent to thedam, wisconsin, to this wal-mart store. this is where a girl named cori bought the ring for a boy named ryan. but it wasn't love always, and the ring was soon gathering dust in the cab of ryan's red pickup truck. but then the strangest thing happened. the truck was reported stolen from here on ryan's farm, just a few days before the murders of wayne and sharmon stock in far off nebraska. really nothing more than a standard missing vehicle. jim rohr was, back then, a detective in dodge county, wisconsin. when the call came in experience suggested probably some local joyride. they'd find it nearby. instead, what a surprise. our dispatch had received confirmation from a parish down in louisiana that they had the stolen truck. stolen in wisconsin, and abandoned way down in louisiana. that's a long way to go. what did you think? a couple kids on a joy ride, somebody taking it that needed to get back down south for whatever reason. keith morrison: it wasn't long before they fingered the susp

[laughter] >> you know what we call the weiner mobile in wisconsin? a chick magnet. [applause] >> it is. and fact number five, i am a proud member of this church. you know the catholic church actually has a lot in common -- [applaus [applause] >> this church has a whole lot in common with washington d.c. either place, it takes about seven years for someone to get confirmed. [laughter] >> i really wish chuck were here at this moment right now. the only basic difference between a catholic mass and a filibuster is that one ends with a sip of wine, and the other ends with an entire bottle. [laughter] >> number six, as a practicing catholic, i believe in miracles. in fact, i've actually seen miracles. 2015, i saw joe biden give a two minutes speech. [laughter] >> in 2012, and there are three witnesses who saw this, i saw mitt romney with a hair out of place. [laughter] >> i believe in miracles. and then again, i also believed in brian kelly when he became the head coach of notre dame. >> oh. >> last year, notre dame football, cardinal tim dolan, they had a lot in common. b

the vote and got 35 seats. it's not working that well. in wisconsineen open the way republicans have tried to lock democrats out of power? >> for sure. the only open thing i would say regarding that is these maps were literally crafted in secret wherever single member of the republican caucus had to sign a secr secrecy agreement, and it's top to bottom, and it's the only fraud in the election, politicians rigging the process for political gain. >> republicans nationwide in terms of the house of representatives, they got 49% of the vote but 55% of the seats, and that's in the most recent election in 2016. if this case were to go in the direction of the plaintiffs, could this knock down gerrymandering nationwide. >> this is a case of national import. wisconsin is one example of where we see extreme partisan politics dictating, and as justice ginsberg said making the districting preordained, and taking any real fairness out of the process. and wisconsin is an interesting state because it's not a state that we think of that contains lots of minorities, bu

. >>> this is officer robinson he works for the wisconsin police department and called out to an elementary on his birthday. the officer knewthe boy's parent was in jail so offered the boy a ride in his patrol car. he spent an hourwith him until they found a family member. thousaha the post about what the officer did. check itout. >> that's a quick look at what's going on. >> news at 4:30 starts right now. . >>> right now police are looking for a bicyclist who may help them solve a sex assault case on a local playground. >> thanks for joining us here on your thursday. . >> guys, we've been excited because the weekend is almost here. we've been playing musicand everything. bring us thegood news. >> you are too happy. . >>> 51 degrees outside. coolout there, so a sweater or jacket heading out keeps you comfortable. we still have someclouds. because the cloudsstuck around a little bit longer we're not getting as chilly as we can this morning. but we'llstill find the temperatures sunrises. 52 degrees by 9 a.m., 55 by noon, we'll hang out in the 50s for most of the day, up to 59 by 5:00. we'll s

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week, and they could explore other possibilities based on how hundley responds, and tony romo, the wisconsin native has been mentioned and yes, he is retired, but we have been talking about the months of romo riding to the rescue for somebody, and colin kaepernick who is still available and great games against the packers and in the past, and what about scott tolzien in the past, a backup, if they decide to get a number two behind hundley, an maybe swing a trade with tolzien, and meanwhile, it is hundley and joe callahan and that is all subject to change. >> it changes the picture of the division and certainly the entire nfc. and we send aaron our best. you can catch mike tomorrow on nbcsn "profootballtalk live" followed by "dan patrick show." and we will talk to al and cris right after this. vw drivers have always put others first. now we're returning the favor, with the people first warranty. america's best bumper-to-bumper limited warranty. (cheering) a triangle solo? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money sam and yohanna saved by switching to geico. fifteen minutes could save

week, and they could explore other possibilities based on how hundley responds, and tony romo, the wisconsin native has been mentioned and yes, he is retired, but we have been talking about the months of romo riding to the rescue for somebody, and colin kaepernick who is still available and great games against the packers and in the past, and what about scott tolzien in the past, a backup, if they decide to get a number two behind hundley, an maybe swing a trade with tolzien, and meanwhile, it is hundley and joe callahan and that is all subject to change. >> it changes the picture of the division and certainly the entire nfc. and we send aaron our best. you can catch mike tomorrow on nbcsn "profootballtalk live" followed by "dan patrick show." and we will talk to al and cris right after this. vw drivers have always put others first. now we're returning the favor, with the people first warranty. america's best bumper-to-bumper limited warranty. (cheering) a triangle solo? surprising. what's not surprising? how much money sam and yoha