the transportation headquarters and move to this location on van nuys avenue to directly reach the work irs. we reached out to bauer transportation but have not heard back. if the union gets enough shuttle drivers to sign the authorize authorization cards they could have a vote in 30 days. >>> happening today san jose's latest group of rookie police officers will graduate from their training academy. mayor ricardo will speak at today's ceremony. he has more than 1,000 officers, down from 1400 six years ago. budget cuts forced police layoffs. other officers left for better paying jobs. san jose will continue to face staffing shortages as more veterans reach retirement age. >>> massive manhunt under way in ferguson, missouri, for the gunman who shot two police officers. fortunately they are recovering. abc news reporter gonzales sdwroins us now from ferguson where that community is really feeling the strain of months of conflict. marcy? >> reporter: police still aren't saying how many shooters they're looking for or if they even have a description. and while police are following up on leads w

the things i always look at is the victim interface and how the irs are -- how the irs is processing the claims and the correspondence. i know the auditors are doing work in that area as we speak. senator cantwell: will we have this resolved for this season? inspector general camus: unfortunately, it is always in hindsight. the audit team looks at the work that was done. they need to make sure that the cases are closed before they can look at can see how they were handled. i will share the sentiment. senator cantwell: anybody else have any thoughts about this? we need to do something better than to have these taxpayers affected this way. mr. valentine: i agree. we work with taxpayers who have had their identities compromised and to make sure there return has been properly reflected in their account and is properly accounted for. we need to do the same thing at all levels. senator cantwell: every committee has been out to address the ideas of cyber security and to move forward. i think our committee should look at this particular aspect making sure that our tax filers are also secure as well. so thank you. thank you, mr. chairman. senator wyden: i did n

the irs. after an additional two years of working with her, the irs and the taxpayer advocates office was able to resolve the situation. is the irs doing enough to resolve cases of identity theft and timely manner? is the waiting period sandra experienced acceptable in your. -- in your opinion? >> no, because i'm a criminal investigator and i know how horrific that experience is for an individual. i can to you that the irs has made great strides in trying to be better, faster, and more responsive to victims. one of the things they put in place was in identity theft victim pain that, in future years, they use that pin number to validate their identity. my observation for meeting the audit reports that our staff has done, is that they have made great strides. >> what would you say is the status now somebody who finds themselves in a situation like sandra? what can they expect to be the. of time in which their issue will be resolved? >> my understanding is that it will be better than it was in previous years. whether or not it is up to par -- >> for five years with her experience. what would you

the irs. finally, after an additional two years, two years of working with her, the irs and the taxpayer advocates office were finally able to resolve the situation earlier this year. so, is the irs by the way, your name is one of my favorite ones -- is the irs doing enough to resolve cases of identity theft in a timely matter? is a four to five year waiting. acceptable? mr. camus: in my personal view no because i am a criminal investigator and i know how horrific that type of experience is for an individual. but i can tie you that the irs has made great strides trying to be better, faster, and more responsive to the victims. one of the things that have put in place is in identity theft victim. -- theft victim pin. in the future years, the use that pin number, and that helps validate their identity. my observation, from reading the audit reports that the audit staff has done, is that they are making great strides. senator: what would you say is the status now obsolete who finds himself in a situation like senator? what would be the reasonable. of time? mr. camus: my understanding is that it would

there are other conduct issues not only are we going to follow the opm rules, we're going to follow those for appropriate work at the irs. in order for people to be comfortable, we do take it seriously, and people working for the irs ought to be tax compliant. we collect your taxes, we want them to pay ours. >> so i still want information about the 824. >> the 824 covers a lot. >> we now recognize the gentleman from alabama mr. palmer, for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman. i want to give mr. koskinen a break here a minute and talk with mr. lightfoot, if that's okay. >> i don't want you to think that's not appreciated. >> that doesn't mean it won't come back to you. mr. lightfoot, nasa has done a good job in making progress on getting off the high-risk list but there is still some issues from alabama masses of major presence in our state, but there have been some issues with rebase planning costs and schedule on management and technical issues. can you address that on some of your projects? >> yes, sir. we have -- the process we go through where we review these projects on a routine basis, we have some that have d

i appreciate the chance to talk and work on these issues in a bipartisan way. since the days the irs opened its doors, scam artists have been hatching up slick new ways of stealing taxpayer dollars from the treasury. what is new is that the ripoff artists are now stealing americans' identities and personally threatening them on an industrial scale while directly robbing them of their hard-earned money. the fraudsters are constantly dreaming up new tactics, and then they milk them for all they are worth before they start getting caught. then it is lather, rinse, and repeat. on to the next scam, always one step ahead of the law. today, the committee will examine several of the fraudsters' latest strategies that are plaguing taxpayers. the one that is hitting oregonians hardest is the fake phone call demanding money or personal information on behalf of the irs. in fact, these calls were the number one consumer complaint registered with the oregon department of justice just last year. not everybody knows that the irs simply does not cold call individuals making demands or threats. it is

the affordable care act. the irs also continues to dedicate significant resources to detect and review potential identity theft tax returns. irs employees work the majority of identity theft cases our telephone systems to return taxpayers' calls to the irs's toll-free telephone lines. this has contributed to the irs's inability to timely resolve victims's cases as well as the continued decline in timely response to taxpayers's written correspondence. as of february 14th, 2015, the average wait time for the irs to answer a call was 28 minutes. the level of service was only 43% and overage correspondent inventory, and the irs in several areas where the irs can operate more effectively. the ira saved $17 million a year to electronically file amended tax returns rather than only allow paper returns and this will enable the irs to use the same validation processes it utilized to verify originally filed tax returns. this could prevent the issuance of $2.1 billion and potentially erroneous refunds. the irs could make more informed business reforms when limited resources. and reduce taxpayer assistance centers although the irs stated services are el

the irs over fixing the situation. finally after an additional two , years of working with her, the irs and the taxpayer advocates office was able to resolve the situation. earlier this year, this year. mr. camus, your names is one of my favorite ones, but is the irs doing enough to resolve cases of identity theft and timely manner? is the waiting period sandra experienced acceptable in your. -- in your opinion? >> no, because i'm a criminal investigator and i know how horrific that experience is for an individual. i can to you that the irs has made great strides in trying to be better, faster, and more responsive to victims. one of the things they put in place was an identity that victim pin and when they use -- when they file in the future years, these that pin number to identify their identity. my observation for meeting the audit reports that our staff has done, is that they have made great strides. >> what would you say is the status now somebody who finds themselves in a situation like sandra? what can they expect to be the. -- be the period of time in which their issue will be resolved? >> my understanding is tha

the irs. the irs, we're working together to help avoid fraud and help taxpayers across the country.u mentioned obamacare. how much of a bigger burden is that on our tax forms every year? >> it is huge. it is biggest impact. it a game-changer. biggest tax change in 26 years. so it affects 30% of the population. they will have file an extra form. if they paid their obamacare, they will get a credit. if they didn't pay, they will pay a penalty. it is complicated form. will drive people from doing their own return to assist and preparers like liberty tax. david: particularly hard for small business people that don't have a lot of extra help usually with the taxes, right? >> it is. it's, one of the most complicated things that happened in my 46-year career in taxes. david: really? wow. did they do something other than stuff we know about? did they perhaps do some things wrong? you've been looking at it long enough to know, i mean in terms of tangs purposes? >> if there was anything wrong it was in the bill that was passed, not what the irs done. the irs has done a great job putting it on

the irs. now that works out to a median re refund of $627. irs would like to reunite taxpayers with all that money, but time iis running out. a 2011 tax return is needed and must be turned in on or before april 15th otherwise by law the money is forfeited to the treasury. >>> when is the best time to buy an airline ticket? a new survey out says sooner rather than later. a survey of more than five million different flights and a billion and a half fares shows the best day to book is 47 days before your flight. if you're booking summer travel that changes to 76 days. so the sweet spot on most flights is between 114 to 27 days out. the worst time to buy was within 14 days. during that time prices jump tremendously. and catch this flying to hawaii, many of the flights the best time to buy 11 months out. >> 11 months out? >> so start checking immediately. >> oh my gosh. >> i need to go there before that. >> thanks a lot. >>> let's talk about the weather forecast. we did get a little bit of rain. it will make no difference. >> it was a spritzel. san

work with victims to resolve more than 800,000 cases of tax related identity theft. and our tax collections continued as well. as noted, the economy improved in 2014, the irsed a total of $3.1 trillion in federal revenues. that's $3.1 trillion, not billion dollars. we have been working hard to improve our operations, and one interesting figure that comes out of this is the cost of collecting this revenue. according to statistics gathered by the oecd, the irs spends less than half the amount to collect the dollar of revenue than the tax of ministrations of germany france, england, canada, and australia. i could go on if there's any place that has numbers if the irs. we only have an hour, i won't. i hope this gives you a better idea of what the irs does your in and year out. i also want to mention the people behind these numbers. none of the work i just described could happen without the dedication, professionalism, and next matisse of our employees. my admiration for them continues to grow. i have never seen such a dedicated workforce in my entire career. this move filing season we are experiencing is a great testimonial to those employees. they've achieved

the work done. they have the ability to leave any time they want. they go work for competitors of yours. they're just a contractor. the other thing that terrifies me is exposure to the irs. people that you rely on more they're doing work for you. if you're not complying with the rules you could be subject to liability. >> i'm so glad you brought that up. it is important to understand the difference between an employee and a contractor. you do not want to be in violation of that. >> that's correct. in the end it's like buying a tuxedo. you're looking at me nuts. like why do i have this guy on the show. >> if you're going to a lot of parties, you commit to having a tuxedo because it's going to be part of your life. >> cost per wear. >> it's still the same thing. >> great. let's move on to another question about getting customers. >> how do you go about building your customer base when you don't have a brook and mortar store but you don't want to inundate your customers with too many e-mails? >> you're in the heart of silicon valley. so i'll start with you. >> this sounds like it should go without saying is having a product that people love and that they love so much they

the treasury department or the irs is doing anything to prepare for the possibility that the court might rule against the irs? >> congressman let me start by saying that the affordable care act is working and the tax credits are working. millions of americans now have access to affordable health care coverage. >> but the court will not be ruling on that as expect of the aca. specifically the irs ruling. >> we believe that we have -- our lawyers have made the arguments, the justice department has made arguments that we think are compelling to the court and we look forward to a positive ruling. but the thing that we just have to recognize -- >> but mr. secretary, i don't want to interrupt but i want to make sure we understand. i'm not asking for a prediction on the court ruling but in the possibility that the court will rule for the plaintiffs, what planning is treasury department or the irs doing to deal with that type of ruling? >> congressman, there is no question but that an adverse ruling would strip millions of americans of health care coverage due to the loss of the tax credit. >> so you would be based on that, starting the work now to prepare for that ruling. correct? >> congress

the affordable care act. the irs also continues today state significant resources to detect and review potential identity theft tax returns and assist victims. irs employees who work the majority of identity theft cases are telephone and sisters who also respond to taxpayers calls to the irs is toll-free telephone once. -- a sisters. this has contributed to their inability to timely -- decline in its ability to timely respond to taxpayers written correspondence. as of april 14, 2015 the average wait time for the irs to answer a call with 28 minutes. the level of service was only 23%. him. one irs faces many resource challenges, tigta has reported on several areas where the irs can operate more effectively deployed simply believe i rest could save about $70 million per year if it allow taxpayers to electronically file amended tax returns. rather than only allowing paper returns. this would also enable the irs to use the same validation processes that utilizes to verify originally filed tax returns. tigta estimates this to prevent the issuance of more than to $.1 billion in potentially erroneous refunds over the next five years. he irs could make more informed busin

the affordable care act. the irs also continues to dedicate significant resources to detect and review the potential iet theft and victims. irs employees who work a majority of identity theft cases are telephone assisters who also respond to taxpayer's calls to the irs's toll free telephone lines. this has cricketed to the irs to timely respond to taxpayer e' written correspondence. >> we believe the irs rather than only allowing paper returns. tigtaest mates that this could prevent the issuance of more than 2.1 billion dplars in potentially erroneous refunds over the next five years. the irs could also make more-informed business decisions when determining how to use its limited resources. for example the irs eliminated or reduced services that taxpayer assistance centers although the irs stated that the services eliminated or reduced were, in part the result of the irs's an tis pated budget cuts. the irs plans did not show to what exat the present time the services cut would lower costs. additionally changing the law to require third parties to file information returns earlier would provide the irs the opportunity to use the information conta

the treasury department or the irs, is doing anything to prepare for the possibility that the court might rule against the irs? >> congressman, let me start by saying the affordable care act is working and the tax credits are working. millions of americans now have access to affordable health care coverage. >> but the court will not be ruling on that aspect. beyond specifically the irs ruling. >> we believe that we have -- our lawyers have made the arguments, the justice department has made arguments we think are compelling to the court. and we look forward to a positive ruling. the thing we just have to recognize -- >> but mr. secretary, i don't want to interrupt, but i want to make sure we understand. i'm not asking for a prediction on the court ruling, but in the possibility that the court will rule for the plaintiffs, what planning is the treasury department or the irs doing to deal with that type of ruling? >> congressman there is no question but that an adverse ruling would strip millions of americans of health care coverage due to the loss of the tax credit. >> so you would be -- based on that, starting the work now to prepare for that ruling, correct? >> congressman, what i'

a department of justice turned down someone being sent to work. the irs it professionals at that west virginia storage site for the backup case. they were indeed discovered at that site two weeks ago. those are the headlines in case you missed it. stuart: i missed that story. extraordinary. check the share price of twitter. let's start with that. suspending at least 2000 accounts. jonathan gilliam is here. welcome back. social media. a breeding ground for recruits. >> i think that twitter needs to make it a little easier for people to complain. >> this was -- first of all twitter, the guy who runs twitter, suspended a couple of isis accounts. they've been threatened him with death. i do not think he is waiting for people to complain. >> they are going out and policing their sites i guess you could say. other sites do not do that. they are not act this. what they have to understand is free speech is not free. it comes with a cost. here is the difference between all of these profits on twitter and facebook. these people that go out on twitter and they say t

the irs. that's probably why the scam works so good. >> reporter: federal officials say phony irs agents have 00 people with harassing phone calls demanding money and threatening jail in what the agency says is the biggest scam in its history. since 2013, 3,000 people have fallen for it and were conned out of 15 and a half million dollars. >> it is harassment. >> reporter: patel owns the cake box in bordentown city and has gotten multiple cars from these irs scammers. >> i think i said something silly to mock them and i hung up. then they called me back five times. >> reporter: the scam continues. luckily al stonier didn't fall for this con job. the irs says it never demands payment by debit card or wire transfer. if an irs agent is trying to contact you it will be done first by mail not a phone call. in bordentown, i'm nora muchanic, channel6 "action news." >> voters will be asked to weigh in on the proposal for universal prekindergarten in philadelphia. mayor michael nutter today signed legislation establishing a ballot question for the may primary. if it's approved it will create a permanen

nearly 260 employees spend their entire day not doing the business of the federal government but working for their union. at the irs more than 200 people do the same thing >> when these various government agencies hired these individuals, they hire them to do a specific task within that agency. they do not hire these people to do union work. >> reporter: the practice called official time was sanctioned by congress in 1978. federal employees were allowed to do some union work during business hours as a way to subsidize unions. if 2014 there were 139,000 such workers. he and his senate colleagues argue the initial intent of the law has gotten out of control and introduced legislation to crack down on what they call waste on an egregious levels. >> the v.a. is taking thousands of hours to organize the union. something is wrong with their priorities. >> reporter: according to the office of management, in 2012 across the federal government, employees spent nearly 3.5 million hours working for their unions at a cost of more than $157 million. mallory factor who wrote the book on workers unions believes the price tag is f

the tax gap. >> thank you. i look forward to working with you this year and next year to make sure that you responded to by the irsthere was a statement received by the subcommittee from the president of the national tragedy -- treasury employees union, i would ask that that be made art of the record. >> without objection. >> thank you for allowing me to go to this briefing. >> good luck. thank you, mr. george for being here. the earned income tax credit has been declared a high-risk program. $14.5 billion were paid in error. in addition, the irs estimates that they have paid $124 billion to 148 billion in improper payments in the fiscal years 2003-2013. they have developed a strategy in an attempt to reduce, and focus on intervention and make sure that individuals claiming the credit are in compliance with the credit rules. this fight those efforts, the estimated improper payment rate has remained relatively unchanged since fiscal year 2003 and the amount of tax credit claims paid in error has literally grown. the iris noted it cannot fully address the earned income tax credit noncompliance by simply auditing ret

girls preparing to enter syria and the man helping them, turkey says he's an intelligence agent who was working for the coalition. >>> tax scam. the new warning from the irs about phone calls demanding money. the scam has already cost thousands of americans millions of dollars. >>> ferguson flight. >> i don't want to live in the neighborhood in which my

the work done. they have the ability to leigh any time they want. they have the ability to work for a competitor of yours. the other thing that terrifieses me is exposure to the irs. you have people that you rely on more and they're doing more for you. if you don't follow the 20 rules that the irs has, you could be subject to liability. >> it's incredibly important for someone to understand the difference between an employee and a contractor. you don't want to be in violation of that. >> in the end, it's like buying a tuxedo. i know you're looking at me like i'm nuts. when you buy a tuxedo 200 bucks each time or you buy it for $1,000. if you're going to a lot of parties and are social you commit to buying a tuxedo. >> let's move on to another question about getting customers. >> how do you go about building your customer base when you don't have a brick and mortar store, but you don't want to inundate your customers with too many e-mails. >> julie, you are in the heart of silicon valley i'll start with you. >> the first key to building customer base is this kind of maybe sounds like it should go without saying but really important is having a product that people

girls preparing to enter syria and the man helping them, turkey says he's an intelligence agent who was working for the coalition. >>> tax scam. the new warning from the irs about phone calls demanding money. the scam has already cost thousands of americans millions of dollars. >>> ferguson flight. >> i don't want to live in the neighborhood in which my child doesn't feel safe. >> some residents are packing their bags from the town that's become synonymous with racial tension. >>> and dirty water. a visit to the county in alabama where even in 2015, many families flush raw sewage right out into their own yards. >> good evening i'm antonio mora. this is al al jazeera america. we are learning more about three london school girls who fled their homes and may have joined i.s.i.l. today a new video emerged showing the girls trying to cross the border into syria. the man they're with is now in turkish custody. john terret is here, there are lots of questions who this intelligence agent is. >> yes there are we are learning more antonio good evening. there are reports in turkish media that the man is a syrian national who claims he worked for canadian intelligenc

obviously the clinton foundation did do good work around the world. however you have the irsuments that show in 2013 alone they spent $8 million on travel. so there are all kinds of questions surrounding the whole thing. >> all right. we're going to talk more with ed henry coming up about the trey goudy situation and the panel with how this affects nomination 2016 as well. >>> fugitives trying to slip through the border our northern border this time. the incident that forced the officer to act he says to save his own life. >>> plus a deadly wrong-way crash. what investigators say two off-duty police officers might have been doing right before this deadly accident. >>> plus, lots of upsets to the ncaa men's basketball tournament. is your bracket in a shambles today? the win against the la brea bears, just exactly what did your bracket look like? please use the if your bracket isn't upset, we want to know that, too. [ male announcer ] at northrop grumman, we've always been at the forefront of advanced electronics. providing technology to get more detail... ♪ ♪ detect hiddethrea

all of the ones that exist, all the rules that were there, whether put in by congress or by the irs itself, the treasury department, they have all been thought through workedver, legislation, they were put in. congress didn't undo them if they were done by the irs. these are not open questions. these are settled questions of law. people have been paying taxes for decades on these rules. gerri: people's representatives for the most part have said yes to this. this is where it came from. >> if they wanted to change it they could have. gerri: bottom line grover should the president be initiating tax policy on his own? >> no. he should not. will he? quite possibly. >> scary world we live in, grover. thank you very much for coming on. >> thank you. >> still a lot more to come this hour including more and more homeowners are improving their home instead of moving but is it right for you and your family? >>> next, survey after survey shows americans not saving enough for retirement but one small, tiny little change can make a big impact to your retirement savings. let us know what you think. tweet me @gerriwillisfbn send us an email through our website, gerriwill

the life of public service at the irs. the irs has taken a beating in the budget by members of congress. we have demonized the men and women who work an impossible job. when they cannot do the impossible we punish them by giving them less money so that the impossible goes to the catastrophic. i appreciate you showing up and trying to run this ship. i really do think the president's budget if we do not find at least the full close to 13 billion we are talking about the need to add more money in taxpayer service beefing up enforcement strengthening operations, and looking at knew technologies. let let me get to my question which goes to service. i am concerned that by giving you less money we end up with more fraud and abuse tell me how many people -- what is the staff level reduction since 2010? >> we have lost 13,000 employees since 2010 an estimate another 3,000 at the end of fiscal 2015 down down a total of an estimated 16,000 employees. >> 16,000 employees in four years. >> five years. >> and having what at that i understand from the taxpayer advocate that for every dollar spent on tax enforcement we get $6 back. i am i am conce

the law. they didn't read it before it passed. they read it. they found out that it doesn't work and they pressured the irsexpand its own power under the law, and they're now taxing 57 million americans illegally. in contravention of the explicit limits on the irs' powers under this statute, and that's what this case is about. the plaintiffs in this case are representing 57 million americans who are being subjected to illegal taxes. so when justice kennedy said that, he actually wasn't making a point in the government's favor. he was making a point that he had said a couple of times that the statute may well favor the plaintiffs' interpretation. he was saying that then if that clear language is coercive of the states, then that could be a problem. >> let me bring this to joan bikuspic. it was pretty clear where the four liberals on the court stood during this argument. also where justices scalia and alito and thomas, so it all comes down to kennedy and the man who didn't say much at all during this question chief justice roberts. what do you make of that sphinx-like behavior? >> i think he knew he was bein

the cheapest in south jersey at $2.21 a gallon. >>> tax season is here. time to get all of your earnings investments and those expenses in order. but before you work on getting this year's refund the irsays about a million people still have not claimed money from past years' tax returns. >>> also whether you prefer a cup of homemade brew or a stop at starbucks or dunkin' donuts you may be part of a dwindling breed. not as many people prefer a daily cup of coffee these days. >>> authorities say they're competent they can bring a criminal case against hackers who stole data from jpmorgan chase last summer. they accessed e-mail addresses and phone numbers that longed to 83 million customers and small businesses. "the new york times" reports that officials believe several suspects are gettable, meaning, they're in countries that have extradition treaties with the u.s. >>> about 1 million taxpayers every year are not claiming money that's rightfully theirs according to the irs. the reason? taxpayers aren't filling out the paperwork needed to claim their refund. the irs says half of the potential refundses are worth about $700 or more. fimers have one more month to claim any possible refund

the beginning. "fast and furious." the irs scandal. the conservative targeting scandal. workinglove landed on the president to this point because he has effectively stonewalled. where do you think you learn to do that? from the clintons. stuart: we are sick and tired of this. another two years of scandal from the clintons. >> president obama as he runs for reelection in 2012 could have overcome all of the negatives associated with his name his image his presidency and that he would be reelected i would have said you are mad. >> you have been very critical of america's electric. >> how could one not deep. he is either serve rating the middle class. he is not doing anything towards what most would consume would be a primary constituency. suffering almost twice the unemployment rate of the national average. this is a striking piece of con artistry. it goes on. for the american public and for all of us this is an act to pretend to do this dance like we have a highly energized enlightened and utterly fatigued electric that just cannot wait to push away bush and clinton because all of

the president and congress work. it's not through regulatory action of the irs. 's through the president and congress working together. >> i'm going to take just a moment to use king v. burwell to go backwards. over the last couple of years as i was running for attorney general and then became attorney general, one of the big questions that i've been asked often times was why do you keep talking about filing lawsuits against the federal government orare pushing back against some of these regulations? is that really the role of the attorney general? and i use the affordable care act case as an example. win of the federal said this administration said you must government health care by these means. 28 attorneys general from around the country filed a lawsuit in that case. and the supreme court came back and said no, it is not you must, it is you may or you may not. and, therefore it gave states such as my home state of arkansas the opportunity to choose for ourselves how and why we might want to implement, and we decide for ourselves to have a hybrid of the health c

the bigs, big banks, big corporations, big institutions, the irs. i think from a millenialtive we know that we're speck kip cack of these institutions because we have never seen them work not afraid to take on the challenges. >> josh during the break this notion we do go to that conventional wealth and that is just maybe human nature political nature, mainstream media nature so we don't give a guy like that the due he deserves. >> if agree. that's unfortunate. this is a new, fresh guy with fresh ideas and proposals. when it comes to our field yes, deep right now. but the more candidates the merrier. >> you have no problem with an irs guy, former omb guy -- that's the establishment as you get. coming in. >> quite the contrary. as a sir -- a very simple man. i need a simple tax reform, and he is an advocate. >> you're not saying this because you're afraid to criticize the irs. >> that might bet part of it. >> katie, where does this go? i think guys like that maybe they have been herman canized. maybe the different oar unusual characters are the ones on which we pounce, and a guy like this even of if he shows signs of political life, would be quickly dismissed. >> well, t

nearly 260 employees spend their entire day not doing the business of the federal government but working for their union. at the irs than 200 people do the same thing. if freshman republican congressman jodie heist has anything to do with it, that's going to change. aps. >> when these various agencies hire these individuals they hire them to do a specific task within that agency. they do not hire these people to do union work. >> reporter: the practice called official time was actually sanctioned by congress in 1978. if federal employees were allowed to do some union work during business hours as a way to subsidize unions for having to represent federal work,ers covered by collective bargaining but who aren't dues paying members. in 2014 there were 139000 such workers. hice and johnny isaacson say the intent of the law has gotten way out of control and introduced legislation today to crack down on what they call waste on an egregious level. >> problems getting veterans appointments within 30 days yet taking thousands of hours to organize the union. something is wrong with their priorities. we need to get it fixed.

the locations listed on nbcwashington.com. if you don't qualify, we still have lots of tax resources and help also on our website. for these folks getting free help they worked with a tax preparer trained by the irs and left with the comfort of knowing their taxes are done. here. >> here you have somebody who can literally take you through the steps. if you have ques query, they can respond to you. >> reporter: another big tax problem this year identity theft. to avoid becoming a victim file as soon as possible and if you discover that someone already filed in your name contact the irs as soon as p >>> a high-profile lawyer hired in the university of oklahoma's fraternity racism case is not representing the two students who have been expelled. lawyer steven jones, who is known for roepting oklahoma city bomber timothy mcveigh is now representing the rest of the sigma alpha epsilon chant the has been kicked off ou's campus. in the wake of that video showing some members singing that racist chant. he says everyone agrees what happened in that video is inexcusable, but he and the fraternity chapter have concerns over free speech fraternity ownership rights and the students' safety. >> there have bee

supreme court case which gets rid of the exchanges are based on the fact that the irs made up its own rule as to how the exchanges would work would flow. i think they'll get slapped on by the supreme court. then it will be a mess. you have 12 states where people can get the subsidies. and 38 where they can't. >> you think they'll lose. that's interesting. i want to get back to this gao report. because the gao is typically understated. >> they're the green eye shade. >> they report in 2010, 69 reports only ten of them have been fixed. the rest have not. they're a little pissed. a little peeved. >> isn't that good enough for government work? >> not good enough for my taxpayer dollar. >> that's the problem. i think maybe the solution here is subcontract a lot of this out to visa and mastercard. they seem to get our credit card bills right. >> now there's a good idea. and you can at least call them up and say you're having a problem. they listen to you. >> i get through to them. >> that's a good idea. we should take it under advisement. good to see you. thank you for coming on the show tonight. on to another topic. another serv

work hes at treasury which includes the irs, had just 1.2% delinquency rate however compared to the general public federal workers are more likely to pay their taxes. >>> we should know sooner rather than later whether changes are coming to your kid's school calendar because of the snow days used. the "washington post" reporting the state board of education gave state superintendents to rule on whether to forgive up to three missed days because of snow and ice. we're talking about maryland here. prince george's county and montgomery count i schools exceeded their snow days planned in their school calendars. both districts are asking the state for waivers. each decision is made on a case by case basis. >>> rain or shine, tom is always pleasant so he's here to tell us whether it's sunny outside which we're looking forward to eventually. but today, not going to get it. >> march is misbehaving again. it needs time-out. needs to send to its room. there is the radar showing rain coming into some cold air. so we're talking about freezing rain or maybe a little bit of sleet that area in pink. that'

how do you get worked up about something like this? >> the irse political opposition, under the direction of democratic senators and we shrug at that. this is more of the say. someone we don't lies, we'll use the executive branch to do what it wants. >> i compare it to obamacare, say you have a couple of problems with health care. obamacare tried to solve those and 50 million other things and created such a horrible situation. >> i think to answer your question how do you stop pushing against it. because consequentialism is so rampant on the left. guns are bad, ammunition goes in gun, targeting those companies is a good thing. a lot of people think that marijuana is bad. what if the government went after supplies in colorado. you have to bring it back to people who disagree with you politically care about sxivenlth that's the point here. is that it's not just about the federal government having this under obama. many people dislike obama and guns. it's about what a future president can do with power, that's terrifying. kennedy: we have to think a

the travel and adventure show. a break from snow coverage to check things out with eileen whelan. >> amazing here. amazing work here, i should say, by the o'neal james school of iredare -- irish dancers fortunately -- they will be here. tell us what they can expect. >> they meet you and talk about your travel dreams. if you want to get out of the winter, we have rows and rows of tropical destinations that you can go to. caribbean, florida, south pacific, tahiti it's all here and great speakers as well. all speaking here this weekend. >> oh, my god. right here escape from the cold dreary winter months and more performances happening here at the travel adventure show. 20 performances will be performing on stage and maybe you have seen segue mike around here. here we go. let's find him. there he is. you can do city tours of d.c. on a segue. i have to say these things are pretty awesome. mike? tell us more about what people can experience. >> three hour experience of washington, d.c., take them out and see the white house, capitol building, all kinds of stuff. >> and this is all right here in our backyard. still amazing. mike, so excited. john we appreciate it. and t

the complies with public integrity and involve spending money at the irs. a lot of people who do work on the earned income tax credit filings. two thirds or three fourths of the people who help people file for eit c are not cpas, may may be very good people, but they are not really regulated by the treasury or have the kind of credentials we might hope. drill down on that. i want you to drill down for us on the ie tc the credentials of the folks who are helping most people file and what the problem is and what we should do. >> thank you. >> it's a lot of money. >> it's a lot of money. it is important to step back and remember the earned income tax credit program was passed and the president reagan. >> the best antipoverty program in the country. >> last year actually 26 million american families benefiting from benefited from the program. it is one that over the decades has proven its value command i think, sen., you touched on and actually this davis touched on it, too it, too, it is a program that has a high degree of complexity and that it is really based upon claim dependent child

the chairman. very good to do list on page two and three of his testimony. i won't go through it all. it involves work, actually spending money at the irs to give them the tools they need. and also i think we have a lot of people especially who do work on the earned income tax credit i think about 2/3 or 3/4 of the people that file for the itc are people that they're not cpa's, they may be very good people. but they're not really regulated by the treasury. we really have the kind of credentials we may hope for. >> i want you to drill down on that point. there's a lot of talk here a lot of discussion on the social security aspects of this people that are dead, and listed at 150 years old i want you to drill down on the itc, on the credentials of the folks that are literally helping people -- most people file for the itc and what the problem is here, and what we should do about it. >> thank you, senator. i think it -- >> it's a lot of money as i recall. >> it's a lot of money and i think it's important to at least step back and remember that the earned income tax credit program was passed under president reagan years and years ago. >> i t

works for them. >> and but to really get to the fundamental point here, both at the level of text clear ir resolvable conflicts. if the statute can't work if you read it mr. carvin's way, the level of -- >> is that a synonym for ambiguity. >> i think so. absolutely right justice scalia -- excuse me, justice kennedy. you have ambiguity there precisely because you have -- this is a statute that's going to operate one way or the other. the question is how it's going to operate. when you read it their way. >> if it's ambiguous we think about chevron. it seems to me a drastic step for us to say that the department of internal revenue and its director can make this call one way or the other when there are billions of dollars of subsidies, hundreds of millions. >> billions of dollars of subsidies involved here. two points about that. >> it seems to me our cases say that if the internal revenue service is going to allow did he ducks, they would have to be very, very clear. it seems to be odd that the director of internal revenue didn't identify this problem, if it's ambiguous and advise congress at once. >>

work for federal government owe billions in back taxes. >> money watch's jill wagner joins us from the new york stock exchange. why do these irs workers owe so much. >> reporter: well, good morning. workers owe more than $3 billion in backed taxes from last year. according to the irs is workers at the department have of housing and urban development have highest delinquency rate. workers at treasury department that includes the irs has the lowest compared to the general public though federal workers are more likely to pay their taxes. erika and nicole good that makes sense. >> we hear google is working on something new that will make it easier to pay bills. what is this all about? >> reporter: a new g mail feature is reportedly in the works that will let users pay and receive bills directly from their e-mail inbox. it will let users forward bills to other people like roommates to split up the balance. according to recode that service is called pony express, and it could roll out later this year. i like the name. >> thanks, jill. >>> coming up after this break we will have traffic and weather together on the three's for you. >>

it gives the employee or a safe harbor if you use e-verify to verify that your employees are eligible to work. under a nobody, the irsould come in, run the social security numbers through e-verifyunder a nobody, the irs would come in, run the social security numbers through e-verify, if it takes them out to say they are lawful to work in the united states, they would look at the wages paid, say y $50,000 paid, it would get switched over to the net income side. a gives the employer the incentive to clean up his workforce because sooner or later the irs will visit you and it has a six-year statute of limitation. we have some practical things we can do. we need to tighten up the labor supply. we just out. benefits go up when there is a supply. i appreciate what you say. i appreciate your experience. i live it i would like it is some other members of congress would visit you. host: arkansas is up next. here's sam from arkansas. caller: representative keating i have two questions. do you trust netanyahu more than you trust your president of the united states? the other question. why, in the republican party, i want an ans