we join the debate with thea lee, the deputy chief of staff at the a.f.l.-c.i.o. and david neumark, an economist at the university of california, irvine, who's done extensive work on this subject. and we welcome you both to the program. thea lee, to you first, what is your main take away here, on the one hand the congressional budget office is saying yes, it lifts people out of poverty it will raise income but it has the potential to eliminate half a million jobs. >> there were some good findings out of the cbo study. as you said 16.5 million getting a pay increase which is long overdue. and about 900,000 coming out of poverty. the most controversial finding the cbo study was up to half a million people could lose their jobs because of hike in the men mum wage, if you look carefully at the cbo study they haven't actually done new research and it was biased in the sense that they gave a lot more weight to studies that might have a negative employment impact. and less weight to a vast consensus among economists right now that, in fact, raising the men mum wage will