on the contrary but i would say the thing like thebc, it's a public institution which is in all sorts of ways held to account and where -- >> charlie: how is it held to account. >> well, there's a governing body. >> charlie: that you report to. >> which i report to. by the way all of the director generals get fired. this is not very solid. they changed the management over the history of the bbc. >> charlie: mostly over controversy or not. >> mostly over controversy, that's true. but there is regular scrutiny of whether the bbc is living up to its public purposes, about the quality of it. >> charlie: are you saying there's no scrutiny of big sky b in all the newspapers that murdock owns, there's no constitute knee or questioning of that because -- scrutiny or questioning of that because they question -- >> the accountability that the bbc is subject to is, as it were, we can be told to do things by our government body. we can be told to stop services, we can be told to change our direction of travel. so if a complaint is made for example from a member of the public about a particular ne