be thegain, you could most anti-trump person in the world, you cannot designy -- charlie: here's what think and but me if i am wrong, you know the general and ease of the direction of the country. mark: regular politicians can't change it. charlie: and establishments can't change it and institutions can't change it. what is interesting about it is whether somebody or else could have tapped into it the way he has tapped into it. i mean everybody knows that this is not a new idea. you know, we understand that there is a great feeling about what is happening in the middle people are very much upset about gridlock and we understand that there is after 2008 a real disenchantment with at a feeling that the economic future of the country has been, in a sense, in some cases, fixed. true, but it took a man with extraordinary media skills, and again, it was a very weak field. this republican field was so weak. charlie: who might have been him? never mind who might have ran, who might have beaten him? --k: not me, i don't think herlie: you had john kasich, was a very popular governor, you've got