-- forward to seeing their city come alive again. >> and you can follow the latest news on superstorm sandy on our website and check out the pictures, abc2news.com/sandy. >> what are the best jobs in america? cnn and money and pay scale.com came up with a list of the top one hundred jobs in the country based on pay satisfaction, stress level, benefits and flexibility. let's look at the top five, no. one, biomedical engineer, second place, market marketing consultant. software architect and data base administrator. no news reporter or journalist on there? . >> and now maryland's most accurate forecast. hey, take a look thshgs is the kweshgs how will sandy ultimately rank along among u.s. power house storms as far as costly. right now it's a $55 5 (500) 000-0000 hit estimated but likely to go higher. katrina was 108 billion and if other are pailing in comparison to this -- pealing in comparison to this. we'll see what happens if sandy overtakes katrina. itis possible. some of the cost and damage in our area. this is a different camera angle. that is a brand new inlet similar to the inle

we have become dependent on city college for their ability to prepare the future work forces and because of the outstanding training that the college of fords, our economic future is directly tied to the success of our city college. so it is with that that i am presenting today a very important decision. in recognizing the importance of our city college to us as a city, i also want to make sure that we recognize as a family the serious challenges that are before the trustees and before the interim chancellor as we would care to meet them. there will be very difficult and important decision that will need to be made in order to address the recommendations that are set forth by the accreditation committee. there will also be a lot of good faith negotiation that will have to happen in order to protect our city college. but tough decisions and reforms are what city college needs at this time. and we must first protect and serve the students of city college and make sure they remain have our number one priority. but any improvement means change from the status quo. it will also mean decisions

that's the reason why we want people to pay attention to their city government. frankly, new england city governments are the small ones and tall hall government is the best of all. we can't do that. but we can give people is exposure to city government, it avoids a lot of problems. we have had a lot of mistakes. (inaudible) was not built when they put in the underground, that caused umpty million dollars to correct. >> we hope this discussion was informative. for more information on this and other ballot measures in this year's election, please visit the san francisco league of women voters at sfvotes.org. remember, early voting is available at city hall monday through friday from 8:00 am to 5:00 pm if you don't vote early, be sure hi, i'm richard janning, board member of the league of women voters. along with the league and sf gof tv, i'm here to discuss proposition e the city requires businesses it pay a flat 1.5 percent tax on payroll cost for work performed in the city. small businesses with less than 250,000 dollars in payroll costs are exempt from the tax.

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>> san franciscans are incredibly interested in their city government, local politics, and making surehat we remain the most amazing city in the world. i learned that san franciscans during campaign read everything they are sent in the mail. they love to meet the candidates and engage in conversations with them. i learned how important it is to build bridges between different communities, particularly communities of diversity that we have. i was incredibly honored to have been elected in november of 2008. >> where do you place yourself on the political spectrum? >> i consider myself someone who shares the progressive values that many sentences can hold dear. we have been a beacon to the rest of the world region that many sentences skins hold dear. we have been a beacon to the rest of the world for those. >> you are president of the board. describe the role of the opposition and the responsibilities that come with being the president of the board of supervisors. >> as president, i preside over the weekly meetings we have tuesday at 2:00 here in the chamber. i also determine which legisl

times reports tomorrow the pasadena city council will consider bringing the nfl to their city.amber of commerce and others like the prospect of millions of nfl dollars flowing into their city on a temporary basis. but people who live near the rose bowl have complained in the past about traffic and noise and problems caused by rowdy fans. >>> opposition is growing over plans by stores like wal-mart, toys-r-us, sears and target to kick off black friday deals on thanksgiving night. one target employee from california has started an online petition calling on the stores to give back thanksgiving to employees and their families. now there are more than 40 petitions to save thanksgiving on change.org with more than 238,000 signatures. but experts say when it comes to competition, stores like target are similarly supplying a demand. >>> an appetite for shopping and it's becoming earlier and earlier. nobody wants to come in second in that race. so it's really a question that, look it, people are thinking about shopping, they want to go shopping. >> target says opening up at 9:00 thanks

allowing medical marijuana dispensaries to open in their city. would it have permitted three medical pot clubs to open. san francisco voter as proved a tax to raise money for city college voters said yes to a tax on real estate transactions. >> well, airlines taking baggage fees to a new level, one carrier began charging up to 100s oodz what? that is just ridiculous. i'm not supposed to take sides. >> what? >> that is a lot of money isn't it? this is enough with baggage fees spirit airways is changing -- charging as much as $100 as cheryl just said to stow a bag in the overhead bin however, say sez it hopes it's never collects that much money from customers. you can avoid the fee paying for bags ahead of time. carry on costing just $35, there is a bargain if you book the flight and bag online before the trip. the $100 fee only kicks in when declaring the bag at the gate. spirit says the goal to speed up boarding. not to squeeze passengers. i just report the news. flight trackers say planes will be nearly full and that will make flights more expen

the city attorney office has different representatives by different departments. and supposedly separated by a wall in their office. your directors indicated that they are willing to accept the city attorney's brief. but it's written by a city attorney representing this board. >> we advised the board of appeals on -- i am sorry, we advised the board of appeals as attorneys of the city. we did not advise the board of appeals on a context of a party preceding before you. we are advising you on the interpretation of the charter and the related provision of the transportation code and the police code. the due process law from which you refer does not apply in this context. >> thank you. >> we can take public comment. can i see a show of hands how many people plan to speak on this item? okay, if you can line up on the wall along that side of the room. so we don't block the door way. and if you haven't done so already, it will help in the preparation of minutes if you can please fill out a speaker card and give when you come to speak. if the first speaker wants to step forward, please come forward. >> one minute

times reports tomorrow the pasadena city council will consider bringing the nfl to their city.e and others like the prospect of millions of nfl dollars flowing into their city on a temporary basis. but people who live near the rose bowl have complained in the past about traffic and noise and problems caused by rowdy fans. >>> opposition is growing over plans by stores like wal-mart, toys-r-us, sears and target to kickoff black friday deals on thanksgiving night. one target employee from california has started an online petition calling on the stores to give back thanksgiving to employees and their families. now there are more than 40 petitions to save thanksgiving on change.org with more than 238,000 signatures. but experts say when it comes to competition, stores like target are similarly supplying a demand. >>> an appetite for shopping and it's becoming earlier and earlier. nobody wants to come in second in that race. so it's really a question that, look it, people are thinking about shopping, they want to go shopping. >> target says opening up at 9:00 thanksgiving night prov

that's the reason why we want people to pay attention to their city government. frankly, new england city governments are the small ones and tall hall government is the best of all. we can't do that. but we can give people is exposure to city government, it avoids a lot of problems. we have had a lot of mistakes. (inaudible) was not built when they put in the underground, that caused umpty million dollars to correct. >> we hope this discussion was informative. for more information on this and other ballot measures in this year's election, please visit the san francisco league of women voters at sfvotes.org. remember, early voting is available at city hall monday through friday from 8:00 am to 5:00 pm if you don't vote early, be sure >> hello, my name is jamie harper. in this episode, we are featuring the park locations in your very own backyard. this is your chance to find your heart in san francisco with someone special. golden gate park's largest body of water is this lake, a popular spot for strolling and paddling around in boats, which can be rented. created i

spent yesterday preparing, taking forecasts seriously, we saw a lot of people going to stations their cities set up, a lot in the north bay, where people were gathering sandbags, preparing, putting them around their homes, we saw a lot of people clearing out gutters. people taking this storm seriously. >> bottom of the hill san rafael comes down the hill hard taking precautions. got a little flooded last year. >> reporter: people in downtown san anselmo are watching the storm carefully. downtown flooded in 2005. the downtown seems confident this year that things are going to be okay the creek looks low, people have sandbags, they are ready they cezanne anselmo is a tough town -- they say san anselmo is a tough down and will be fine. national weather service describes what is about to hit us as a river of rain, warning everyone to be ready and get prepared. we are in the north bay we'll be watching all morning. be sure and tune in throughout our newscast to get a sense of what it is like outside. amy hollyfield, abc7 news. >>> boat owners are being warned to make sure their vessels be properl

. >> they will never be able to go back to their community for their city. ily may never be able to visit them because someone might be lying in wait for them. trial is over,s her ordeal is not. >> he has received two oscars, founded his own film festival, and maybe even have been -- and has been awarded a french knighthood. now, robert redford has spoken out. the impact of climate change is gaining new attention. will it spur action? recently, we sat down with him and los angeles to hear why he is taking up this cause. >> of hollywood legend is one of the most vocal conservationists. he told me that an obama second term offers hope for the planet but his native southern california is not what used to be. >> i grew up in los angeles at a time and was a very beautiful city. it was just at the end of the second world war and there was spaces in between the communities. there was spaces and the spaces or green. the air was fresh and clean. all of which we took for granted. pavement and concrete and skyscrapers were being developed and the space in between began

times reports tomorrow the pasadena city council will consider bringing the nfl to their city.t's on a temporary basis. the pasadena chamber of commerce and others like the prospect of millions of nfl dollars flowing into their city on a temporary basis. but people who live near the rose bowl have complained in the past about traffic and noise and problems caused by rowdy fans. >> extraordinary efforts are being made on behalf of the pets left homeless of a hurricane sandy. tens of thousands were either abandoned or left stranded by the storm. here's abc's reporter with a story of how they are now being helped. >> they are the silent victims of super storm sandy. some of the most helpless and most affected and now our four-legged friends are finally getting the help they need. southwest airlines and seaworld teamed up to fly 60 orphaned cats and dogs to an animal shelter in california. >> thousands of animals lost their homes. we need to move the animals from their shelters to shelters on the west coast. >> the flight crew and the veterinarians are volunteering their time to as

. >>> a new police chief in south basement what do citizens need to do to keep their cities safe? that will be on eyewitness news starting 7:30. >> we're talking about a lovely forecast that will be remaining for another day or so. >> it seems like it will be hear for the next couple days. for today nice. 72 in santa rosa. 68 in the city. in san jose, 71 today. it will be a beautiful saturday. get out and enjoy it. and we'll see you tomorrow morning. >> you know, there are some ice skating risks open in the bay area right now if you want to partake in that. one of them is by union square. and we have a look at their treat. the 23rd and great tree lighting ceremony took place last night. entertaining the crowds last night, singers from the make-a- wish foundation and the san francisco school of the arts. hundreds of people came out to see the tree lighting yesterday. gorgeous twinkling under the stars. >>> i hope you enjoy the rest of your saturday. a lot of people are going to go out and brave the malls again. >> have a good time. i'm starting around the. >> 24th. >> typical guy.

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the children were born when an earthquake devastated their city in 1995. but they discovered that needn't stop them from relating to victims of last year's disaster. hidekeyo uemura has the story. ♪ >> reporter: a charity concert for the survivors of last year's earthquake and tsunami in tohoku. all the performers are students from kobe's junior high. the students have held ten concerts in their hometown since the earthquake last year. their teacher, nobohito ogura, helped survivors of the massive earthquake that struck kobe in 1995. ♪ based on that experience, he taught his students to use music to give emotional support to disaster survivors in tohoku. >> translator: music connects people. we can use it to encourage one another. i believe in the power of music. ♪ >> reporter: the students wrote a song. all the students pitched in to write the lyrics. they named the song "michi" which means middle of the road, or fulfillment. ♪ risa wrote this segment. risa drew a happy outcome to a troubled relationship. she comes through the ordeal because her parents a

. >>> in an attempt to promote their city, brussels in belgium, decided to do a little video of a flash mob using their very famous majorette crew. they're cheerleaders. another monday morning in brussels, traffic, bicycles. the light turns red at the stop light and here come the girls. ♪ ♪ >> they're going to engage the drivers at this stoplight. >> one way to get some people's attention. that's for sure. >> another way to irritate the heck out of people driving. where are they going? are they late for work? >> they're at a stop sign, anyway, it's not the girls that are making them wait. the first sign reads, flash your lights. then everybody flashes their lights. then they start honking theirhm. you see the girls dancing away. some drivers totally loving it. but you're reiight, nick, some people were annoyed. >> why don't they show some historical sites. >> i was a little underwhelmed by this video. >> the girls are underwhelming. we've got to send them the dolphins cheerleaders, i could watch them watch paint dry. >> why am i not surprised. >> what is it to promote again? >> the city

the truth there are most of them are there we have bad guys they're really good guys helping out their cities and their wherever they are from. more than fifty thousand people have been killed in mexico's drug war the last five years the country has militarized many of its urban centers and at a cost of more than one billion dollars to the u.s. taxpayer it is this government crackdown which has given mexico's drug outlaws a roic image that's always something exciting and particularly exciting for people in the lower because you know people both but i see we're fighting back and we're brave and we're standing up now as police and finally came out this put on us a scene out of. here in los angeles we're back said they're not above forty those concerts that shows like this are actually illegal in parts of mexico but that edgy drug war lyrics are a big hit for us the u.s. . say the true. people seem to like him killed. mexico's censorship of the music has only increased its popularity in the us which is in the middle of the prescription drug addiction epidemic that a lot of addicts really become

piedmont needs top share services and resources but piedmont's mayor told the chronicle residents like their city as it is. >>> some irate bay area fans of controversial comedian cat williams are taking him to court. thousands of people attended his comedy show last friday night at the oracle arena but a class action lawsuit accuses williams of bizarre behavior such as confronting a heckler trying to fight three audience members, and bolting from the stage after ten minutes. the suit says audience members deserve their money back and names williams and the promoter live nations. neither defendant has commented publicly. >>> and you can catch the world series champions the san francisco giants for as little as $8. single game tickets go on sale at 10:00 this morning. you can buy them online or at giants dugout stores. if you buy tickets at at & t park stores. oakland a's in april cost just $5. it seems like a pretty good deal. 4:54. one last check of traffic with tara. >>> good morning, claudine. still clear. we're looking at this black friday morning so far so good. nothing popping up on the chp

city be able to feed itself ? in copan, everybody farmed except the elite and their artisans. art of the answer is found in an elaborate system of irrigation, canals that helped the city produce a large agricultural surplus. although most remained farmers, irrigation freed some 30,000 to 40,000 people to pursue other jobs like making clay figurines. but it was not clay sculpture that transformed teotihuacan into an economic superpower. it was another material -- obsidian, a natural volcanic glass whose edge was as sharp as a razor. obsidian was the knife of the ancient world. 30 miles north of teotihuacan, archaeologists have discovered the major source of obsidian in a place called pachuca. this is alejandro pastna of the mexican institute of anthropology and history, and his colleague rafael cruz. they have come here to map the locations of ancient mines. let's go. [ glass crunching ] obsidian fragments litter the surface, the refuse of thousands of years of mining activity. the glass that formed here by nature was especially prized by the ancients because of a unique quality

of people you know with their families have filed for help with the government to try to be able to get some sort of help with housing in new jersey there are still tent cities around where people are taking taking you know getting a roof over their heads in this in these cold months so certainly you know just crazy consequences the donations we've been seeing coming from all over the united states specifically to the tri state area some of the work some of the groups have been doing such as occupy we've reported on that other groups as well it's really been a struggle and certainly something that the many thousands of people here in new york continue to deal with. thank you that was our correspondent on the stasi it. well still ahead here on our it's here we all know the u.s. news and drone warfare overseas but more and more drones are being used here in the u.s. and that has some people asking why one police department wants to keep their drone program a secret. here's mitt romney trying to figure out the name of that thing that many americans call a dollar. i'm sorry i missed the guy who cares an awful lot of money for you solo artists who you know what k

they are deciding thousands of issues for their cities and states, as well. maine, maryland and washington will decide if same-sex marriage should be legal. minnesota voters will decide if it should be outlawed all together in their state constitution. voters in washington, oregon and colorado may decide to legalize marijuana today. >>> here in california, no issue has drawn more cash or controversy than proposition 30. that ballot question would raise taxes to prevent education budget cuts and cbs 5 reporter cate caugiran joins us with more on this costly battle. >> reporter: listen to these numbers. yes on 30 campaign raised about $69 million and the no on 30 has raised about $53 million. as you mentioned, the idea behind proposition 30 is to raise taxes to prevent these education cuts but those against it say the big price tag comes with a big risk. >> the big issue, the big question is, what is the capacity of america to invest through its collective institution called our government? >> reporter: even on the way to vote governor brown took the time to stu

filed by other former students ask for $15 million. >>> police in richmond say they hope to make their city streets a little safer with new surveillance cameras. the business announced today four new cameras will be installed on 23rd street. two other cameras have been in place there for two months now and police say they've already seen a drop in loitering and drug sales. help police respond to criminal activity. chevron donated funds for the new cameras. >>> new de tails tonight in our ktvu investigation of spending at the port of oakland. port officials tell us they will not pay severance to resigned executive director omar ben gentleman min. we learned that benjamin officially resigned on november 8th but the port did not make an official announcement last night four days later and then only after inquiries by ktvu sgluz i just think it show thas weren't being transparent. they felt they were above being able to be accountable to anybody, whether it was to us or even to the public as you can see with the scandal that's unfolding. >> our investigation found that benjamin's name was origi

volunteers say their city was hit after katrina and they are paying it forward. >>> it's lin two weeks since sandy slammed into the east coast and there are thousands without power. new york and new jersey homeowners are frust tateed with the -- frustrated slow pace. as of sunday 50,000 homes and businesses didn't have electricity and thousands more couldn't connect to the grid because the wiring was flooded. official was lipa say the storm was worse than expect and didn't have more than enough utility workers lined up. time for a check of the forecast and let's go over to lynette. >> let's talk about what's going on in terms of temperatures. people getting out and about this morning. whether you have to go to work or not, temperatures coming in at 48 in tow sewn -- towson and churchville at 46. temperatures above average going through the day. we will be seeing temperatures boost u7 -- up a bit. wind out of south and we are dealing with patchy fog in spots this morning as well. so be prepared for that. satellite and radar not picking up on a whole lot but that pink elephant in the roo

the drugs or alcohol were a factor. >> a federal judge has ruled the city of san francisco can require handgun owners to keep their weapons lot when stored at home. the city can also ban bullets that expand or splinter on contact. the judge says that the restriction does not provide the san francisco if people from possessing guns at home or using them for self-defense. >> president obama will meet with middle-class americans today in an effort to urge the public to press congress to protect tax cut for families are into a and $50,000 or less. if the president will later meet with corporate executives. the white cells, the democrats and republicans have yet to agree on how to avert an economy crushing series of automatic tax increases and spending cuts due to take effect in january. >> former giants slugger and baseball's home run king barry bonds is set to appear on baseball's hall of fame ballot for the first time. the ballot will be released later today. also expected on the list is outfielder sammy sosa and former see why young winner roger clemens. bonds was convicted of a felony count of what structure of ju

and possibly fail out of school and not complete their education. as a city we have a responsibility to make sure that these students get every opportunity and chance they can to get their diplomas and graduate with their classmates and be productive citizens to the city of san francisco. i appreciate the difficult questions you are asking of the school district regarding their reserves and how they allocate the funds and use this money in the future. we appreciate that role in the process. but we don't want your concerns and questions to prevent you from supporting this. but it's important that the students know they are supported by the representatives in the city and on the board of supervisors. so they know that we all care that they graduate and have an opportunity to go to college and be successful. we ask that you today support the $2.7 million for the school district to make sure that these students have an opportunity to graduate. >> thank you. >> good afternoon, i am ken tray, from the united educators of those that work in the classrooms. we are he

city wide needs. partially disagree. while few departments say their needs should trump city wide concerns bureaucratic turf has created this culture and not promote cooperation. finding number 26. the cooperative attitude among departments and dt previously founded by earlier civil grand jury has faded and what i have said to that i would actually disagree with that. i think in the last few years there has been improvement and cooperation between departments but still a good chance to achieve. i will say partially disagree. finding number 27, a department first perspective, not the city wide perspective, intended in the administrative code has resulted in lack of coordination and communication between the departments and for this i would state agreed. the fact that these projects have taken so long to take forward is the attitude that perminates city agencies. next i also agree and it's difficult to move departments in the same direction. 29, department heads and cio's don't grant the authority for them in the administrative code as governing their ow

city without water. so they chose to keep them open. as a result, there has not been significant inspection, maintenance, or repair of the tunnels in decades. no one knows their current condition. hurwitz: currently, city tunnel 1 and city tunnel number 2 would be feeding each half of the city. so you'd lose half the city if you didn't have a replacement. narrator: without half of its water supply, the city would shut down. for nearly 40 years, new york has been in the process of constructing a solution. man: this project is water tunnel number 3. we started on this project in 1969. i'm a sandhog. i've been a sandhog for 37 years. narrator: sandhogs are the men of local 147, who work deep below the city. they began building the infrastructure of new york in 1872. from the subways to the sewers, the water tunnels to the highway tunnels, new york city thrives because of their work. ryan: you got one little hole in the ground, and nobody knows we're here. see the empire state building, right. that's 1,000 feet. so you figure, you go down 1,000. how high that is -- that's how far we go down. narrator: stretching more than 60 miles under the city, tunnel 3 is taki

the public in the dark but should citizens have a right to know that drones are hovering over their cities are it's here looks into the issue in a moment. it's wednesday november twenty first four pm here in washington d.c. i'm liz wall and you're watching our. we begin with the deadly conflict between gaza and israel a cease fire has been in effect for just a couple of hours now it was announced at a news conference in cairo with secretary of state hillary clinton and the egypt's foreign minister over the past eight days israel and gaza have been firing missiles back and missiles and rockets back and forth resulting in nearly one hundred fifty deaths in total both sides both sides launched more than three thousand rockets allowed to long ago before the ceasefire announcement a public bus was bombed in tel aviv reportedly resulting in twenty eight injuries the spokesman for the israeli prime minister's office alex cells cells spoke to r.t. international earlier today. of course you insist it's simply responding israel simply responding to attacks against hamas but let's take a look at some

and many cities built their treatment plants with this grant money. oberstar: but even a decade after it was enacted, the reagan administration came in and cut the grant program to a loan program. and funding diminished over a period of time. now, we still have 1/3 or more of the nation's streams and lakes that don't meet the standards of the clean water act. we have to advance the cause. that is the big challenge ahead of us. you just don't think of raw sewage in waterways in a developed country, and yet, that's what we have, and not just in pittsburgh, but all over. narrator: pittsburgh is situated at the confluence of the allegheny, monongahela, and ohio rivers. these three rivers are vital for industry, recreation, and drinking water. and each year, billions of gallons of combined sewer overflows discharge directly into those rivers. hecht: we're now having to face the consequences of the choice that was made to put in combined sewer systems. narrator: in 1994, the government adopted a combined sewer overflow policy to reduce csos nationwide. citi

grassroots i think it's like one hundred sixty cities and states have already passed resolutions through their city councils or the state legislatures calling on congress to send us a constitutional amendment that we can put to the people of whether corporate money should feel they ought to control or part i think it's important to remember our citizens united has not just affected the general election this role of money in politics has also had a major impact during the primary process that i know it seems like forever ago but i one time when we were watching the earlier debates there were eight republican candidates standing on the stage and certainly money played a role in who lasted and who didn't i want to get your take jam on the process as a whole sort of leading up to other republicans having a nominee. is not just money but it's money from a handful of super wealthy individuals children. for example you seem to care. las vegas. where we don't know you because you can't know until after the election how much you could but we do know that if you put some thirty five million dollars into thei

who saw the city or half of their city destroyed so for there is also the issue of ethnic cleansing. is an area where a lot of minority groups live in the. internet because people should not belong in the believer's. homeland so to speak so we are trying to push them to abandon those areas and. so this is quite serious what is happening at least now we are seeing for hearing anyone who is claiming that the regime is actually. some support so with all these different tactics being used would you say that these bomb attacks in the capital city normal civil war tactics that these car bombs. well as i said you know they have all sorts of objectives first of all obviously to give the illusion or to to give the sense of the feeling. to the government is not in control in the hope that people would start losing support we know that the theory has been from the very beginning that the people are afraid of the government and once they feel that the government strong grip is slipping they would immediately shift so it's obviously you can see it's yet to happen and people are still supporting o