what you are talking about, when it comes to corporations whether it's wal-mart or mcdonald'down theliste top echelon of the corporate world makes it exceedingly larger amount of money than workers do. and microsoft made it a good wage. and you have been doing all the business with china all the time,. john: it is true that we have a big gap between rich and poor. those of us resist to squeeze this down apparently in england in 1990 and you were part of the british parliament. and margaret thatcher is reonding to your argument. >> i agree with her and the point is that rather than having a big gap we should all be together. >> selects talk about this in terms of the ry poor and the very welthy. and you can't makeit on $7 and 25 cents an hour. fifteen dollars an hour is a fair minimum wage. and there has not been a study produced that indicates this. mcdonald's talks about that and that is wrong. and it is just not right. raising the minimum wage cost people jobs is what they say and it does not. >> but isn't it logical that if it cost more and you will get a little bit less of a? john: w

clearly, funding is at the top is thelist, as willingness of european nations, given tight budgets, to step up to the plate and make the resources available. but i will add two new ones, which is first the issue of integrating our counterterrorism work into the mission of nato. we have seen obviously a major dustup over the revelations regarding u.s. surveillance techniques, but it is frankly i think forced us to talk a little bit about what our true counterterrorism partnership is going to be, whether it will on individual bilateral bases, or whether it can be a more central organizing premise of nato going forward, which also speaks to the second challenge. greater ability to speak with a common voice on the issue of national security and defense. it is likely going to become even more problematic for the united states to figure out anther the proper venue for individual conversation about the future of national security as that are housed in nato or in the ee you -- the eu. the ability of this triumvirate to figure out a strategy moving forward is one of the challenges and frankly a