points of contention, one of the few points of contention in the book is the quote, attributed to theo epsteinand the demand, find more sexy players. and a lot of people think that that was directed to the owners. but apparently, theo says it was directed to the marketing people. that quote was meant for the marketing people. now you've got one of the owners, tom warner out there, who's a terrific guy, thinking that there's a lot of abuse pointed at him in the book. tell me about you and tom warner. >> i don't think that, if you read the book, and put it in a perspective, it was never meant to be an owner-bashing book. i tried to be honest, at least how i viewed it. and i think -- i mean, that's how i feel, is what we wrote. that part of it, what you just talked about, i was never even brought into that when i was there. those are things that i found out afterwards. theo was really good about sheltering me from things like that. because he knew it wasn't going to help, and it would just frustrate me. >> so we love tony werner, right? >> everybody -- again, i didn't have a bad relationship with