. >> about 100 kilometers south lives psychology professor theodore dally rumbled.s he sees it, living on welfare saps people's will to live. he would like to see it abolished. >> if people have in life in which they have nothing to fear and nothing to hope for and they have no transcendental purpose in life, either -- they do not have any religious belief or political belief, they do not have any cultural activity, what is left for them? in those circumstances, you must not be surprised if people start to behave in a very self-destructive way. >> before he retired, thee professor worked in some of the trouble spots of britain's working-class areas. since the 1970's, he has witnessed mass unemployment and the vicious cycle of life on welfare. asas he sees it,t, and unconditl babasic i income would d supprey trace of initiative. he says even the meager welfare some receive now is enough to stifle their initiative to a great extent. >> unless people are recognizing there's somethihing wrongng, ths nothing you can do. and of course, we don't live in a time when anyone

. >> about 100 kilometers south lives psychology professor theodore dally rumbled.s he sees it, living on welfare saps people's will to live. he would like to see it abolished. >> if people have in life in which they have nothing to fear and nothing to hope for and they have no transcendental purpose in life, either -- they do not have any religious belief or political belief, they do not have any cultural activity, what is left for them? in those circumstances, you must not be surprised if people start to behave in a very self-destructive way. >> before he retired, the professor worked in some of the trouble spots of britain's working-class areas. since the 1970's, he has witnessed mass unemployment and the vicious cycle of life on welfare. as he sees it, and unconditional basic income would suppress any trace of initiative. he says even the meager welfare some receive now is enough to stifle their initiative to a great extent. >> unless people are recognizing there's something wrong, there's nothing you can do. and of course, we don't live in a time when anyone is