we have theresa fallon, the director of the center for russia, europe, asia studies in washington, d. c. david roche associate professor at the national defense university and also a former nature operations director of the joint chiefs of staff also in brussels. nicholas, why it's an international affair strategist and senior director for global solutions at a p. c o. worldwide. thank you for joining us. and welcome to the program. i do want to start with the practicalities here. i think they're very important, really just how realistic this all is. so there's obviously isn't a new idea. and it's been debated and discussed so much that we get to the point where some member states actually roll their eyes every time it comes up. so david, what's actually stops the you from establishing a military force they fall? well i, i have to disagree with miss franka. it's a lack of capacity. look, you know, i came back from a nato summit in 2006 and my son met me at the airport. he was 4 years old. and in the course of talking he said, i'm going to grow a beard. and i said, good for you kid. it

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theresa fallon is director of the center for russia, europe, and asia studies and from london where star robin is a managing director for europe at eurasia group. so welcome to the program. all of you much trouble if we can start with you by going over some relatively recent old ground front says it's been stamped in the back. what on earth will these allies thinking or with the focus? i'm not thinking of it at all. was this a deliberate ploy to keep france in the dark or a diplomatic snuff through? i think the guests will be able to speak to, you know, how the french of the see what happened. i think the reaction from paris is driven ready by 4 o'clock to one is a believe the trust and integrity between eyes and mouth. clearly, and this is, this was not the case. given. secret talks have been taking place for more than 6 months. apart from the interest in the pacific region, and the disagreement obviously cuts across those quite to direct way the political economy. you know, the loss of the contract from the job, i think not as an important factor on driving is reaction as well as the d