. >> do you remember this happened with theresa may and angela leadsom? name was the tory one when they were in that tory race for tory leader that tory race for tory leader that angela that theresa may eventually won. angela leadsom made a remark to the effect that theresa may had no children and that that kind of left you as a certain kind of person, which wasn't necessarily it feels like it's just like simmering in the background a lot now in political. >> well, because i'll tell you why. it's simmering, because those are the two teams. one team is family, country and community. family , community and community. family, community and country, whatever it is, which is the reform party, which is that group, which is american, which people chanting usa. the other side is let's kill our children with abortion. and, you know, let's not have children and let's you know, whatever. if we have children, we can have depopulate. yeah. so that's what the do you think she's trying to suggest that kamala harris is actively in favour of. she was speaking to her home

the then home secretary theresa may hailed the legislation as britain leading the way in tackling exploitationt place on employers? so, we have a requirement for them to put into their annual accounts a statement about modern slavery. now, many large companies will take that very seriously. they have people within their organisations whose job it is to look at their supply chains and at what's happening. but, of course, there isn't any enforcement action in relation to this. mcdonald's, the supermarkets — they all issue annual modern slavery statements, confirming their commitment to fighting any form of exploitation. it's a statement, isn't it? and a commitment. but in this case, in these cases, that hasn't worked to protect these victims, has it? no, it hasn't. i accept that this was not, that this was... this was what we could get into the legislation at the time. none of the supermarket companies detected the slavery in the pita bread factory. so, what checks did they make? asda says it made three visits, but focused solely on food safety and are disappointed that a historic case has been

it reminded me slightly of when theresa may said, we can't be the nasty party anymore. the worst speeches ever made at a tory party conference, with disastrous consequences because everyone thought she was saying we were the nasty party. >> and i think to an extent, a lot of us nodded and thought yes. and indeed, in the end, you'd never have voted for us anyway. >> and we need to appeal to. that's what i didn't like about james's speech, i thought, trying to bash up reform is a mistake we need to do. cameron was very clever in some ways. he worked out that you had to love bomb the lib dems. and we should be in the business of love, love, love bombing. reform. >> well, i entirely agree with that. and to me, there's only one candidate in it that i would want to see and that is robert jenrick. i think the other three, because they stayed in a government which lamentably failed and turned down all the goodideas failed and turned down all the good ideas that people like you and i gave them. as to how we could do a betterjob for the public, we could get closer to meeting our

did you know theresa may? yes. and did she respond directly? no, she...sia by me and my colleague chris burrows at a private house and sat there for hours and took note of everything we said. so for her to then a few years later, when she was up at prime minister to take the attitude she did to us was very disappointing. when you say took the attitude she sent, according to your book, she sent cressida dick to see you. what was the message that was passed on? the message was, why on earth had we done this work? why had we put our families at risk in doing this work? we shouldn't have done it and that we only had ourselves to blame, basically. you were very good friends with alexander litvinenko. um, and i'm sure you knew the skripals as well. um, it is the start of the inquiry into what happened in salisbury today. do you think one day they might come after you? up until this point, it's been unlikely because, as i think i explained in the book, the rules of the game, as it were, the rules of the road in this area have been that putin in particular regard

and we thought theresa may was so nice.this is coming out from bofis yeah, this is coming out from boris johnson who said that downing street looked like a quote unquote crack den when he took over as prime minister. and this is him sort of justifying when he came in and he put up gold sort of wallpaper everywhere and spent lots of money, he was like, i had to do it. there was literally drugs everywhere. it looked like a crack den, because i assume, i mean, they've got like a nice hannibal lecter looking photo of him as a clown. >> theresa may doesn't seem like a messy person, but then you could never tell no. she has also looked like a crackhead. >> the building was old. >> the building was old. >> the building was old through fields. >> who knows what she was doing in those fields? >> it's not. it's not that he. it's not that he's spending money on his own home. it says his rent free home. it sounds like he's spending it on his home. it's what is it called? downing street. it's number 10. >> but did he take did he take the

and unfortunately , theresa may unfortunately, theresa may wanted to push it through. and she did.d with a small majority to be able to do that. but here's the thing. i think as a result of it being made compulsory, certain activist groups have taken it oven activist groups have taken it over. and what we've seen is far too much focus on woke and diversity and not enough on women and biology. and i think that's the core of this, this part of the curriculum. it should be around if it's going to be compulsory. the facts of life, not whether there are 72 genders. yeah. >> the irony is, of course, that we used to complain in my day that your sex education at school was all about the biology and not actually about the relationship side of things. it feels like there's been an overcorrection according to what the children are saying. they want to understand a bit more about the biology side of things, particularly fertility issues, and less about the relationship side of things. what's happened? zoe? >> it's interesting. i mean, my memory of sex education in school was there was a lot of

she introduced theresa may on the platform as well a few years later, i believe. oh, yeah. e, do they? it can look a bit meteoric, and it may be faster relatively than some people in their political careers. but actually there's always a sort of long, long preview period. people can spend quite a lot of time being tipped for greatness, just as you were, adam. and look at you now presenting newsnight, of all things! yeah, but not necessarily well, as you will hear. this is me... i've been doing a lot of filling in this week, and this is me filling in for... well, actually, you know, victoria doesn't really do fridays. it's probably filling in for faisal islam. um, and it was... like, the end of newsnight is always quite stressful because there's lots of very talkative people on there, something i'm just not used to at all. well, it's because you've got no—one going, "ten seconds. yeah, exactly. "stop talking now." and also when you're on television, yeah, you have to stop at the appointed time because there's. .. i think actually it was house of gucci was on afterwards and we

this is the same theresa may who recently declared that she's proudly woke.ds to wake up. the first step is to elect a leader who is a true conservative, who will police the borders, reduce legal immigration, and get legal immigration to a level that serves the economy but doesn't destroy society. a leader who accelerates rishi sunak's sensible move away from the worst excesses of net zero. a leader who gets taxes down, supports businesses and grows the economy. and the new leader is going to have to build a relationship and form a soft political coalition with nigel farage and reform uk, because the tories are now like an ailing business that will only survive with a merger. why? well, because the maths just don't add up with reforms. 4.1 million votes at the last election , which i promise you election, which i promise you will grow. the conservatives have no hope of forming an overall majority without reform support. a sobering thought as the tories fill the bars and nightclubs of birmingham this evening . i've got no doubt that evening. i've got no doubt

but theresa may had deau theresa may.had dealt with covid, that would have been a better sequencing . have been a better sequencing. you would have got a better deal initially than her chequers fudge, and she would have dealt better with the pandemic than you. >> the problem with that, i mean, it's a it's a, you know , mean, it's a it's a, you know, absurd to talk about these high hypotheticals, but the, the, the, the problem is that the reason we were able to be tough with our friends and partners in the european union is because after december 2019, we had the bazooka of a big parliamentary majority. yes. and that was what theresa didn't have . and that theresa didn't have. and that made all the difference. >> although you say in the book that when you started talking about no deal, it was an elaborate bluff . elaborate bluff. >> yeah. look, i mean, with any with any negotiation, you've got to be able to walk away. but and i would have walked away and we would have, we would have had in the book that you were i didn't w

we are the reason that theresa may, the prime minister, made the technology company take down the terroristda within two hours and we are the company that has helped save thousands of lives during covid. tom: you did have that government contract around covid. there may be some efficacy that came through in terms of distribution for covid health requirements that were needed. it's a complicated environment if you are the cfo of an enterprise and you are looking at how you spend and integrate ai. there's multiple different models you can choose from in the applications you can choose from. how do you work with enterprises to navigate that, and how much integration are you seeing right now? >> what's really important is not thinking about what's a model, but rather with the business problem, and first, what's the business problem, then what's the technology. and what is the process is in the decisions that drive that business kpis. from there you can figure out the technologies in the data. but everything flows from what's the business problem. tom: do you have concrete examples of where you

before i got into government , done by theresa may before i got into government, i said you weren'td it. yes. >> it remained it. yes. >> and ministers that you sat around the cabinet table with would go out and say, isn't it wonderful renewable energy. it's the cheapest form of energy altogether. and yet it sees pnces altogether. and yet it sees prices in the uk double that of america. was that a dishonest messaging strategy from your cabinet colleagues and particularly their friend boris johnson ? johnson? >> no, they believed it. boris thought we could make britain the saudi arabia of wind and i'm not convinced by any of that. and when i was briefly energy secretary, i was trying to row back on this, though i wasn't there for very long, and we put it into law very stupidly, one of the last and most expensive legacies of theresa may. >> well, jacob rees—mogg , it's >> well, jacob rees—mogg, it's been a fascinating conversation. more, of course, with you at 8 pm. this evening, as usual, state of the nation with jacob. now back to you. >> martin tom harwood, that was an excellent int

alastair campbell's demise predicated blair's fall , while predicated blair's fall, while for theresa maye nick, timothy and fiona hill went, it was never glad. confident. morning again. when the adviser goes, things often turn sour for weeks. those with an agenda against sue gray were briefing the media against her, even revealing her salary to the bbc. this decision by starmer to let her go shows weakness and encourages one thing more leaks. if leaking to the press does down your internal enemies, then others will learn and will do so, and that will be to the detriment of mr mcsweeney. sue grey's replacement. this illustrates a fundamental dysfunction behind the scenes. but does it affect policy? well, recent events suggests that it may. in recent days, speculation has mounted that labour's policy to put vat on private education the only significant policy to which it committed during the election, is now in chaos. similarly, plans to raid pensions by reducing tax relief on those earning £50,000 or more per year have reportedly been scrapped, probably because they realised the effect it

their vote to the lib dems, but it was lost in a very targeted way geographically, you know, so theresa may tom tugendhat saying, look, you know, i'm the candidate that lib dems like the most. do you think the lib dems should fear the conservatives getting those votes back? >> i think the conservatives are so far away from getting the votes back from our people. whoever the hell they are. i know, i mean, it is so arrogance of it. it's so arrogant and there doesn't seem to be any, as claire says, any self—awareness of actually you completely screwed up over 14 years and whether or not you think, you know, keir starmer and the new government are doing very well, which i happen not to at the moment. actually, what they have inherited and what we are all paying inherited and what we are all paying the price for, whether it's housing, transport, money wasted and everything else is because of these people. the other thing i find astonishing about this conference is you don't really get to hear them very much apart from robert jenrick banging on about, the european convention on human rights and t

after theresa may's election, everybody knew that you couldn't get legislation through parliament andtandstill. so using prorogation as exactly as you set out as a mechanism to then kick start parliament to try and get things going again, i think it's a mechanism that could be used, and it was used accordingly. >> and in my view, it was bungled anyway because the point of it was to see the fall of the benn act, which was an extraordinary abuse of parliamentary procedure. and it wasn't it was simply used to have the conference recess underlying issue . underlying issue. >> did you or did the prime minister give any reason to the palace as to why you wanted this prorogation? >> i explained in my article how the privy council operates in ways that are already public, because i obviously can't say what happened in a specific privy council. >> was any advice given from the privy council ? privy council? >> the privy council does not give advice in that sense. it makes a formal decision. >> so no advice was given. the privy council, why can't you just say, confirm that no advice was given?

the ministers you appointed to your cabinet, quote homicidal maniacs, you call your predecessor theresa may quote, old grumpy knickers. you describe your most recent successor at keir starmer is having a face that is quote, like a bullock, having a thermometer unexpectedly dubbed in its rectum unquote what do you say to a critic might say, isn't that kind of language better left behind the scenes as much as readers might? >> the someone like me, jake for someone in my position, this is this is a story really unleashes a story of belief in britain. it really covers of 15 year period in world politics. there's some pretty tough is some big issues that i tried to expand for readers, whether it's, brexit or the middle east store ukraine, or whatever i tried to, i tried to really take people into the into the room and look, i make no apology for trying to make it readable. >> what do you make of some of the reviews which have been not particularly nice including quote, how not to write a political memoir, memoirs of a clown, a memoir that's twisted sauer and full of yet more lies, quote, he's a

literally started the documentary with andrew neil stroking blofeld style a stuffed cat because theresa mayy that the judges are taking into account whether or not a cat, whether or not somebody's cat meant that they couldn't, their ownership of a cat meant they couldn't. they couldn't be deported. it's not the laws, it's the implementation of them and the conservatives, even those who want to get rid of the echr. so there'd be a british bill of rights . it will have something rights. it will have something similar in it. it will be appued similar in it. it will be applied in the same way. this case looks pretty. it looks like the judges made the wrong decision. from what i can see. but if the judges keep making it, no matter whether it comes from strasbourg or westminster, it's the decisions made in the court that are the issue. >> but michelle isn't the problem that the echr, unlike law passed in this country, is actually a moving feast that judge judges can just change how they interpret it. as the years go on. that's not democratic, is it? yeah. >> and this case is absolutely flabbergas

for years, under theresa may , you remember? and theresa may, you remember?e got to bofis then, of course, when we got to boris johnson and liz truss and rishi sunak, we had all kinds of agreements renewed with our partners in france and of course, international cooperation. we were told elsewhere in europe, as well, where the national crime agency had an international presence in many countries dealing and investigating with international people smuggling. look, it's a tough ask . and much of this is tough ask. and much of this is out of the control of either the uk government or any particular western government. and it's dnven western government. and it's driven by issues such as we are seeing in the middle east at the moment with a flare up there, a new war that's brewing that could really turn out to be another humanitarian disaster with already hundreds of thousands of people fleeing over the border from lebanon into syria, of all places, and then trying to make their way up to turkey. we know because we've seen it before . every time you seen it before.

. >> theresa may was law abiding former. >> i was going to say, look who he took her off.>> so apparently when he took out the carpet, then it looked like a crack den. well, i've never been to a crack den, so i don't know if they have carpets or not. maybe that's the you know what actually happens in practice? >> what? what on earth did he mean? >> i suppose he was trying to justify it was okay for him to have gold wallpaper at the expense of a wealthy donor , expense of a wealthy donor, whereas it's not okay for starmer to have any wealthy donors contributing to his life. >> well, i guess you take your clothes with you when you go, you don't take them. >> maybe. yeah, that's true, but you can leave it to the incoming prime minister who got rid of it. >> there is no longer. there is no longer the gold wallpaper. >> rishi sunak didn't like it. >> rishi sunak didn't like it. >> well, obviously, you see, i think gold wallpaper is less of a sin than getting your spectacles and your suits and your wife's clothes from a donor personally, because the if you're doing up downing st

theresa may tried boris johnson tried. liz. well, liz truss less said about her the better.ou know it's never worked because it doesn't reflect the reality of the situation. immigration is vital to our country. they contribute more in taxes than they take in benefits. no one ever talks about that last year that was more than £122 billion. why are we all poorer than that ? well, we all poorer than that? well, that's not true. >> that's not true. gdp per caphais >> that's not true. gdp per capita is down. we've got we've got we've got population increasing faster than we've ever had before. and gdp per caphais ever had before. and gdp per capita is going down. so why is that? >> that is not down to immigration. the problem is that we have this conversation all the time about what immigration does to our country, and we never talk about the benefits of it, because the truth is that on the right, it is easier to not solve this issue they want. we don't have a reasonable, rational debate about this because then they wouldn't have anything to campaign on. it's easier to dehumanise

that's why eventually he was when we renegotiated our treaty with jordan, theresa may actually deported properly . and that's the point. properly. and that's the point. you know, the jordanians had evidence that they had obtained by torture. the echr said you shouldn't be using torture evidence. the jordans finally promised jordanians promised not to use it. so we deported him. and in fact, we actually helped to reform the jordanian prison system because now they don't use torture evidence. so of course that's a good thing. same with like for instance, we saw with like for instance, we saw with rwanda. the point is, that was a disastrous treaty that priti patel had signed, and then eventually even our supreme court said, that's absolutely awful. go and look at it again. and we negotiated with rwanda and then eventually the parliament said, yes, now it's an awful. yeah. >> i mean, it was it was so awful. it was so awful that the germans are possibly now going to do the exact same thing with the facilities of the british taxpayer. is as well. we'll have we'll have to wait and see. i'm afr

we had theresa may and liz truss. call either of them a maggie thatcher figure, would you? >> no, i wouldn't, but i think kemi is different. as i said a second ago, she has that kind of star quality that i think we need to take the fight to laboun need to take the fight to labour, and they've done such a bad job in government in the last 80 or so days. it is more important than ever that we choose a leader who can beat them in five years time, because if we fail in that mission, it won't be a five year labour government. it'll be a ten year labour government and i think kemi is best placed to win. >> is she is she right? maternity pay is too high for women. >> well, i think she's been clear she's not going to be making any changes to maternity pay- making any changes to maternity pay. the point she was making was a broader point, which is reasonable about overregulation of businesses, big and small, over the years, over decades, really , regulations have built really, regulations have built up and built up. look at an

against andrea leadsom, stood against andrea leadsom, stood against andrea leadsom, stood against theresa mayst it by saying, you should vote for me because i've had children. i think that may be the andrea leadsom moment. >> right? okay thank you very much indeed. mike parry and stephen pound, this is good afternoon britain on gb news. we've got lots more coming up on today's show. we are of course, going to be turning our attention to the middle east as well, with mark white, our home security editor . security editor. >> a nice bright morning will generate a lovely warm day right through to the evening. boxt solar sponsors of weather on gb news. >> hello! good morning and welcome to your gb news weather update brought to you by the met office. well, across the south there is plenty of cloud today with some showers possible at times, but in the north we do have plenty of fine and dry weather. and the reason for this is that high pressure is generally generally dominating the weather in the north, but we still have an area of low pressure down to the southeast, which is bringing us that clou

if you think back to the brexit era, if you think back at theresa may's period, when they barely hadjority at all, mps actually had some some clout. we're in a very different environment, right now. if people think that bringing in morgan mcsweeney and making him chief of staff in downing street means that there's no longer going to be media criticism, there's no longer going to be articles about internal tensions within this government. i think they're very wrong. >> i mean, jim, it's not great. is it that keir starmer set out when he when he got the job as prime minister when he was elected, that he'd be different, his government wouldn't be sleazy. it wouldn't be corrupt, there wouldn't be any of this nonsense that the conservatives presided over, presided over. and now you've got this new polling saying that actually people think starmer is sleazier than sunak. how did we get to this point? >> i mean, the poll that i would want to see would be, do they think that keir starmer's government is more sleazy than bofis government is more sleazy than boris johnson's government? i think

politicians , judiciary, from the politicians, even, you know, back in i think it was in 2014 or 2015, theresa maynote to the judiciary to try and stop article eight, which is a right to family life, from being a bar to family life, from being a bar to deporting foreign criminals. but that wasn't done properly. it was a note , not actual it was a note, not actual legislation. nothing ever happened. and ten years on in the conservative government, they didn't address the issue. so the reason why this man has been able to gain the system, i think we need to look a little bit closer to home at this stage. yes, it's still the human rights laws that's in enabling to stay here, but nothing was donein to stay here, but nothing was done in those ten years. >> but the fact of the matter remains this does it not. david sends out a clear message that even if you're deported, even if you've been to jail, even if you've been to jail, even if you've got no right to remain in the country, you can simply somehow get your way back in and get somebody pregnant . and you get somebody pregnant. and you can't be kicke

theresa may, boris johnson, it was done badly.laiming on camilla's show that he's delivered brexit. >> he hasn't delivered it. and it's not just semantics here. it's important we call this right and declare brexit's not done because those of us who campaigned for brexit have a massive obligation. people like nigel and me have a huge obugafion nigel and me have a huge obligation to stay on the battlefield until we genuinely do jettison. so why the european union? >> so if that's the case, you can usually make more change if you're within an organisation rather than outside it. so surely if that's what you think, then you would stay. and i mean, you know, we can't all agree on everything and i'm sure there's lots of disagreements with keir starmer and his party. >> but this is a fundamental importance because the whole point about reform is standing up to the united kingdom. and that includes an integral part of the united kingdom is northern ireland. all right. >> well, what would you do about it? how would you fix it? >> but just m

now you remember the impact that this had on someone like theresa may, when she had to get rid of nicks reflect, i think, the real viciousness of the infighting inside labour. there were people in labour. i don't know whether this is fair or not, who were blaming sue gray for the decision to sort of cap spad numbers. there were lots of people who'd been hoping to get work in government who hadn't. she was hugely aggravating ministers by intervening over casement park, which is a sports ground in in northern ireland, for which she was trying to get money and it's really not a great sign when you think that we've got a month to go until what the chancellor is promising to be an enormously painful budget. this is the window in which the government really wants to be firing on all cylinders . cylinders. >> and the role that she's moving into envoy for nations and regions. i don't think anyone has ever had that position before. it sounds like it's just been made up specifically for her. >> yes , it has to an extent, but >> yes, it has to an extent, but i think it's important that to realise

. >> theresa may stayed on. yeah, but yeah, all right, let's have a look.ter, a load of stuff. there's a letter in the metro thatis there's a letter in the metro that is picking up on the, the fact that phillip schofield's been on tv for the last three nights on this castaway programme, where he was castaway on a desert island on his own, and did all his own kind of filming and used drones and, and hand—held cameras and stuff, and, had a kind of introspective experience. so castaway is a programme that other people have done, but he's obviously used it to kind of put now his case to a certain extent. and the letter in the metro has not taken it. well, i actually called him despicable and has picked up on the fact that phillip blamed his brother. so his brother timothy, when it was all going on with phillip schofield and what he was being kind of accused of, of having an inappropriate relationship in his workplace , relationship in his workplace, his brother was, found guilty of, of a, of a, of a, of a crime of, of a, of a, of a, of a crime of child abuse cr

and there was two years of a parliament under theresa may that just couldn't decide what kind of brexitave held rishi sunak out, couldn't he? well, i think you'd have to ask him. rishi and whether he thought that boris might be a help or hindrance and how much help or hindrance and how much he wanted him on the campaign. and to be fair, you know, boris did come out at the end of the campaign as he did for theresa back in back in the day to try and gee up the troops. but i think it's very difficult once you've been a former prime minister, then try and help your predecessor when perhaps one of the big things that boris was keen about, which was levelling up and he created a whole new department about levelling up and rishi, i think, didn't take that agenda as seriously as bons that agenda as seriously as boris did. >> it could be quite difficult, but lots, lots of people would say, especially in the red wall, that boris failed. there was no levelling up. >> well, i think covid, which is what boris continues to sort of, you know, fall back on, which is one of the things that sort of shut

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theresa so make sure you tune in for that as well. all right. coming up in the next hour of the kron 4 morning news, it may be more expensive the next time you head to disneyland. when is it not right. we'll tell you >> well, today's taiwan's national day of the bay area is home to one of the largest taiwanese and taiwanese american communities in the country on tuesday, community leaders gathered in foster city to check out a wide variety of businesses with taiwanese ties from major airlines, local mom and pop food shops. among those in attendance solve a senator. dave cortese. take a listen. >> we see what's going on. so ukraine. and, you know, we're trying to everything we can call for unity. the federal government same thing because of the research. time. one is to be protected toe on offer. see, that's >> not up for grabs. >> well, court, as he says, a delegation of state lawmakers is slated to visit taiwan sometime early next year. >> well, stay updated on local news, weather and sports by streaming kron. 4 news for free on your tv with the kron on app. you can download that again for free on apple t

may only show up pause they've heard these remarks and say, i'll go there. i'll give a silver lining because i like to do that before election day. groups like maria theresa's the democrats and the harris team, they are able to take this to voters. i think it will be -- it'll have a reverse effect in turnout, which is now the game. eight days out. it's about getting the voters to the polls. i think we're going to see this have a really negative effect, potentially, on donald trump, because the democrats will use it as a way of getting voter turnout. again, when we're talking about everything coming down to the margins, 10,000 votes in this state or 20,000 in that state, it can make a difference. >> maria teresa, congresswoman ocasio-cortez weighed in this morning on msnbc. i want to play some of her response. >> this was a hate rally. right now, the campaign is scrambling, and they're trying to blame this rhetoric on a so-called comedian. the only backtracking they're doing right now is just because tens of thousands of puerto ricans happen to live in philadelphia, florida, michigan, wisconsin, and also, the several swing states in the house of representati

i mean, i remember when theresa may took 20,000 cops off the street to cut middle class income tax, supportedlib dems, by the way. so just don't blame the tories. and then i remember in south yorkshire hospitals really struggling to on scanners, investment in the steel industry being axed and again and again. that's all we've got. the army down to a lower number of soldiers than in napoleonic after the napoleonic wars. i mean, this, this is a problem. that's why people, i think, voted the conservatives out massively in july and they are now. they're not actually making, you know, that much fuss about this because i think the people are cleverer than their politicians. they know that an extra dime on people who can afford to pay is going to help. i'll give you one little example of national insurance contributions on employers . i contributions on employers. i checked the labour manifesto. there was no mention of it at all. everybody says it was in the manifesto and rachel reeves has broken her promise. i've checked national insurance contributions that employees pay were ordinary workers pay.

not enough is now, but she's got the backing of somebody like damian green, who's associated with theresa may i get all that. but this has been the problem for successive leaders. you can't convince everyone in the party to do what you want to do, not least if you're on the right. >> well, firstly, as you say, i have got a broad range of people from victoria atkins, john lamont, ed agar to lord david frost and bill cash and jacob rees—mogg supporting me, get on to him. so i've built a broad coalition, but where i do differ with others in this leadership contest is i think you have to use the leadership contest itself to settle some of these big issues, like the echr , let big issues, like the echr, let the members choose, then we can have a mandate and then unite around that, because unity doesn't just come about because you wish it. so unity comes about because you're uniting around something. and that's what i want to do . i want a very what i want to do. i want a very clear, specific policies , not clear, specific policies, not just on our borders, also on how we reform our nhs, how we get

he was a justice secretary under theresa may.ssed some views on this which may align with where the government is headed. he has talked about questioning whether some of the prison sentences of six months or less are ever really worth it. that might tally with some of the ideas that you are hearing better, more home detention. so kind of a modern form of house arrest. the government is also looking at something that happened in texas, where people get credit for good behaviour, rehabilitation programmes and so on. but a lot of this boils down to philosophical questions. does this new government think prison works and if so, what kinds of prisoners? we will find out in the coming months.— of prisoners? we will find out in the coming months. a man has died and 15 people are being treated for injuries after two trains collided in mid wales. investigations are taking place after two passenger services crashed at low speed in powys, just before 7.30 last night. our wales correspondent hywel griffith has the latest. a crumpled carriage