columbine, lieu, there -- lou, therewas a straw buyerr or two, bought the weapon and gave it to someonelse. you knew he was under a special justice for the virginia court, a danger to himselfn the mmunity, and, yet, he was ale to buy a firearm. the complexity called for discussion, and not just focusing on a piece of legislation. lou: governor tom ridge, thanks for being with us. hope you're a part of the conversation right here. >> thank you, lou, thank you very much. lieu -- lo mh more on calls for gun control and ineffectens in curtling violence. we'll be talking about that and we'll be introducing something that's often alien to those discussions. we'll be introducing some facts. first a tripto asia. now she has a concussion that will keep secretary of state clinton from testifying on benghazi. is there a risk now of amnesia? we only ask because we care. taxes in spending on the table, house speaker boehner offering the president higher taxes on peop makingore than a million and asked for a trillion in spending cuts. lou: president obama has rejected yet another fiscal cliff offe fr