all of that is the best thing that can possibly happen for thest economy. now, there's possible reforms in the process that might make that process even better and fairer, but overall immigration has mixed effects, but immigration at the top is mostly a very good thing. and i would be cautious about labeling or lumping all those things together and blaming our current economic problems. >> host: as you said, we have a line for up employed americans, 202-585-3883. pat calling in on that line from cam depp, new jersey. good morning, pat. >> caller: good morning, everyone. i'm excited to be on. i just wanted to tell you my story. so my story is i am 58 years old, associate's degree in computer science. my industry is health insurance, and since 2005 i've been in and out of employment. so i tried to -- [inaudible] i disagree that community college -- [inaudible] when i was unemployed, i did whatever they told me, so i went to school and took a certification for medical billing and coding. that doesn't get you in the door to do it even though i come from health