potentially next year, potentially at eight $100 billion valuation, twice as much as what it expected in that round. elizabeth: it is not unusual for the first numbers to be large. snap ipo, thethe early valuations were $40 billion, but it went closer to $20 billion. we should think of these as early numbers as the banks pitch for this work and i want to win it. emily: talk to us about what we know about the uber and lyft offerings how we expect those to , proceed, potentially one after another or at the same time. selina: they are expected to be listed next year and it will be a race to see who goes first. who goes first will set the market expectation, the precedent for the following listing. uber is several times larger, but lyft has capitalized on the struggles of uber increasing market share as a result of those struggles. these valuations are incredibly lush and should be taken with a grain of salt. we saw several listings recently including xiaomi and snapchat that have ended their listing at less than half and expectations months before they were sold to investors. the valuation for uber is expected to be at $120 billion , it is really coming down to what the investors m