that thetton said reason i rob banks is because that is where the money is.nk it was maybe it was sir edmund hillary who said, why do you want to climb the mountain? and he said, -- it may have been someone else. my apologies. why do you want to climb mountains? and he said, because they are there. >> yeah. i think that is part of it, but it is not a major part. i tend to be really analytical. if we could prove to the science community that we could build a vehicle that could go to the deepest spot in the ocean. by definition it could go anywhere. it opened up a whole frontier. see what i mean? so it was symbolic but it was symbolic of access, of the capability. i saw it as the starting point, creating a platform to deliver cameras and instruments and people everywhere. everywhere down there. opening up that dark continent. >> they used to say, and thinking about astronauts -- i've interviewed most of them -- people ofto say, literature and poets would say, wouldn't it be great if there was a poet on board? even the late norman mailer used to talk about that.