but in reality, if you think that your mailbox was protected and they couldn't find out what theyantedand it was not nearly as muchprivacy is what people would like to expct, particularly in a time where i would rather be protected. neil: so it is that ba? >> oh, yeah, it is that bad. neil: either hacking or websites shutting down, the latest with stagram, so many others, "the washington post" and "the new york times." again and again. do you see a pattern? >> you better believe it. every single digital asset that we have is under attack. >> do you think we are really under attack. >> snack of course. >> so there are technical algorithms? >> it may well be. it's still under attack. and you have to keep your defenses up. so in talkg about the defense budget. if i had my choice between spending money on metal or digital protection, i will go withigital protection every single day of the week. if you look at russia. and there are conversations, witha warship, it is a situation where it takes a number o years to build. all of the technology in the warship is already obsolete. and it's not