born in theyou were ukraine. how much of a connection do you still feel? max levchin: anytime i am told -- oh, you are russian, i feel the need to say no, i am a jew who was born in ukraine. it is still a part of what to find me. -- what defined me. on occasion, i miss it. ?mily: what do you miss max levchin: people are very genuine. amalie cut what would you be doing if you were still there today? max levchin: probably some form of coding. i probably would have started a company. emily: have you been following what has been going on their recently? are you worried about a civil war? max levchin: yes, i am very worried. as an engineer, i always think through -- it is not obvious that there is one. it seems to be at least somewhat contained but it is horrifying. emily: how does that affect you? levchin: i don't feel like i can help the situation. water in aold sheltered, beautiful place to try and change the world. amalie code do you worry it could escalate into another cold war? think the cold war was largely a product of mistrust and disinformation, the p