you'll have to think out in the next month as you make your committee appointments in amonging at thlooking at the co, because we're looking at not only time but it's efficiency and something that we have to get done and i think that that's committees -- some committees may outly their usefulness and some committees are needed to get to another point. >> no one sense, you don't need committees, but the general topic task is called governance. we evaluate managers nonstop and the self--evaluation by the board has been dropped, skipped, ignored, never discussed. when we do it with managers, we know why we hire them and fire them. we have to apply the same standard to ourselves if we're going to sit here and insist on governing this system. to again, i'm bringing this up, right now there are no committee calendars to meet. >> you're right, the only one on the calendar. >> i appreciate your comments because we need to have a commitment that the committee system will do the work or otherwise, our meeting share will be twice as long and that was, i believe, part of the reason -- at one point, thi