lot of things with tom, including one saturday i was sitting at home and -- if you don't know thom hartmann, he has an underlying radio show, he's a top-ranked liberal radio show. he is an amazing guy that slightly left of bernie sanders. so, he's pretty far down over on the left. but he called me up on a saturday. he e-mailed me and said i have an idea for next week's show. do you want to switch sides? if so -- we got on the radio and we switched sides and argued each other's point of view. he showed that respect there, and when you read that, it actually makes me happy because he says you need to read it if you are on the left, and you need to know how a radical like charles sauer things. and when somebody is as far left as tom and calls you left, it is a term of endearment. so it's interesting to me because of the difference between how it lead believes ant he meant by it. >> greed is good, true or false? >> i think greed is true. it's everywhere. i answered your question in a way that might not have been expected on that. but i think that greed is everywhere. it is just on the president