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think of greta garb >> thomas is like garbo, thomas talks. >> it's a big thing in the life of that propertythink it makes it more personal for kids, makes it more. possible for them to relate to thomas. >> reporter: a great deal of thinking went into the voice itself. >> it personifies thomas exactly, it's a nice, precocious little engine who isn't perfect, gets if trouble yet is very passionate about both his friends and his ability to be a really useful engine. >> reporter: cheeky, charming, magical. john berman, abc news, sodor. >> kind of cool the exclusive interview with a train. >> were you fan as a child? >> i was always a little scared of thomas. there's something about the way the face moves, it freaked me out. >> the voice is not menacing. >> no, but i have a problem with animated things. >> that's why i try not to move much. assistance getting around their homes. there is a medicare benefit that may qualify you for a new power chair or scooter at little to no cost to you. stay tuned for this important medicare benefit information and free scooter guarantee. imagine... one scooter

back to thomas kaplan. editor in chief "yale daily news."hat about the surveillance video around that research building? >> well, from what we understand in sort of the chaos of everyone exiting the building, it was just really hard to make out the identities of the folks coming in and out. and there was nothing, at least on the sort of first viewing of the tape, that showed her exiting the building. >> now wait a minute, wait a minute. did she work in a cubie? did she work in a laboratory? >> it's more of a laboratory. >> was anybody in there? was she in the lab by herself? nobody can establish her being in there. >> people saw her when she got to work that morning but nobody really knows where she went is my understanding. >> okay, now hold on. do you mean where she left her purse she was -- we've got witness, or when she went to the lab for we've got a witness? >> so there are two different buildings we're talking about. >> yeah. >> she left her purse in the office at first. >> right. >> and then walked to the lab there's an electronic re

next t tom ase thomas fuentes 3-cd thomas fuentes is a leading republican in the state of california. he was the longtime chairmanf the orge couy republican committee. he is one of the nation's leading and most successful hispanic republicans of businessmen. and also jning is john utley, longtime conservative activist. he is the associate publisher of the american conservative, a monthly, that many of you know pat buchanan writes fothe publication and a number of other conservatives. so i want to thank all of them for joining us, and i think what we would like to do is ask each of the panelists to start with a three to five mine response about at they think about the future of conservatism, and if it is truly brighter than we see it now. many people have a pessimistic view about things, but i am hoping we will get a silver lining today in this cloud of obama infielder custis washington. so why don't we start with richard and then. >> thank you, chris. i do believe that conservatives will govern america in the future. in my lifetime, i have been involved three times the naonal level of

you know i was reading thomas jefferson the other day, and it gave me an idea. they didn't go against the king, originally they were going against parliament, they were going against the people that were making all the laws. how many people do we have in work detective right now? how many people do we have that are the ones in washington? passing laws, how many sign the declaration of independence? 57. 56 men signed the original document. every american, patriot believes in with all of their heart, 200 years later we still do and republicans and democrats and independents and we all do. 56 men changed the world forever and we couldn't have 535 people in the united states congress. okay? america here's what we do. we find 56 refounders in washington. we find those 56 committed patriots who understand that there is a sickness, there is a disease and there is a cancer in our nation's capitol and want to do something about it. i have to tell you. i believe there are people there that are worried that are thinking, i'm part of it. i didn't mean to, i compromised here

we don't know if it was in the basement or anywhere else in the building. >> thomas, thomas, the police downplaying it. that means absolutely nothing to me. those are the same people that said there's no foul play when she disappeared. her pocketbook, her cell phone, everything left behind and she disappears? no, it was clearly foul play. back to the calls. to brianna in iowa. hi, brianna. >> caller: hi nancy, me and my mom faithfully watch your show and she thinks you're an absolute angel. >> brianna, thank you, and thank you to your mother and thank you for calling in. what is your question, dear? >> caller: my question is do we have any footage of raymond clark coming out of the building? >> coming out of the building? good question. paul bass, was he captured on the video? there's 75 security cameras leaving the building. >> i have absolutely no idea, nancy. i know they reviewed all the security cameras, all the footage. they re-reviewed the footage, slowed it down and brought in experts from the state crime lab. we do not know -- there's no way that guy left the building without be

next to him is thomas phillips. thomas is a heavyweight conservative media. he is the founder of eagle international, which started with a 1,000-dollar investment in the newsletter business in 1974, and grew thatnto a newsletter business in the hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue. he is best known as the owner of eagle publishing, whi produces events that ronald reagan said was his most favorite publication and tom has kept it true to the traditions of ronald reagan. and regnery which publish best seerfter best seller tha many of you are very familiar with the books they publish. next to tom ase thomas fuentes 3-cd thomas fuentes is a leading republican in the state of california. he was the lonime chairman of thorange county republican committee. he is one of the nation's leading and most successful hispanic republicans of businessmen. and also joining is john utley, longtime conservative activist. he is the associate publisher of the american conservative, a monthly, that many of you know patuchanan writes for the publication and a number of other co

thomas kaplan, do we know where the hood was that activated the fire alarm? where in the building?and that's something we're trying to figure out now, again, the place are downplaying that that had anything to do with it. we don't know if it was in the basement or anywhere else in the building. >> the police are downplaying it that means absolutely nothing to me because those were the same people who said there was no foul play when she disappeared. her pocket book and keys and everything left behind when she disappears? no, it was clear foul play. back to the calls, brianna in iowa. >> caller: hi nancy, me and my mom thankfully watch your show and she thinks you're an absolute angel. >> brianna, thank you to your mother and thank you for calling in. what is your question, dear? >> caller: my question is do we have any footage of raymond clark coming out of the building? >> that's a great question, bawl pass, was he caught on video leaving the building? there's 75 security cameras leaving the building. >> i know they have reviewed all those security cameras, all the footage, they e

sarah thomas, the working mom, becomes a college football official.ore northern illinois faces off with idaho, thomas huddles with her strid colleagues for a pregame prayer. born and raised in mississippi, this former college basketball player and self-proclaimed tomboy said she craves the excitement surrounding football. >> i wouldn't rather be nowhere else than right here, unless i was home with my kids. but this is what my job is and i take full pride in being here. >> reporter: she arrived here nearly three years ago as the first female official in college football. four other women have since followed her path but don't call her a trail blazer. >> i do this because i love it. i don't do things for recognition or to buck the system. >> reporter: before the collegiate level, thomas worked high school football games for ten years, and she tackled plenty of challenges along the way. she recalls her brother's warning when she first started. >> he told me that these were a bunch of men set in their ways and that i might get some strange stares, and i d

. >> joining me always, thomas kaplan, editor and chief of "the yale daily news." his newspaper broke the story of the missing student. thomas kaplan, are there video cameras inside the research building? >> no. there are not. there are the 70-something cameras but they're all on the exterior and in the parking garage. no video evidence inside the building. >> okay. thomas, i believe in my very first jury trial ever which was in about 1997, it was a shop lifting case, even back then a kmart has surveillance inside the building, so how does yale university call this state of the art security when they don't even have cameras in the building? i guarantee you, thomas, that the way they found that girl is by canine cadaver dogs. now, i haven't read that in a wire, but i'm just guessing that the investigators or the yale police didn't find it, that a dog found her. do you know? >> they did use cadaver dogs at the building throughout the week. we don't know specifically if it's the dog that led investigators to the body but we could see dogs going in and out of the build

thomas howl and larry gilyard, actors.ary busey who co-starred with patrick in "point break." thomas, did he live in l.a.? >> they have a home in l.a. and his wife lisa has a home in l.a., but they have a ranch in new mexico where they spent a lot of time. >> larry: they were a lifelong couple, right? you never read about them in the tabloids. >> high school sweethearts and just an amazing couple all the way to the end. i remember when we were shooting the pilot and lisa came out and initially patrick, we would go out and he would initiate the going out. he would call everyone. lisa got there and said he was not going to hang out as much. lisa joined us and we all hung out. the two of them were just like -- a few times i caught them on the dance floor just dancing. >> larry: he didn't make the tabloids until he got sick. >> he was a private guy. >> larry: then they were terrible to him, don't you think? >> it was rough. >> larry: we'll be back with more and gary busey will give us his thoughts, right after this. national c

randy thomas injured in the second quarter. came out of the game. was replaced then by will montgomery. thomas had really worked himself back because he had missed all but three games in 2007 because of a left tricep's answer. he really wanted to be back there and devastating for him. he released a statement saying i am very disappointed right now. it hurts because i wanted to be out there with my teammateis. was looking forward to this year. i will have surgery this week and focus my attention on rehabbing. i'll be here every step of the way to help support my teammates this season. i believe to know that we can be successful. jim zorn says this team has a t o so far as a replacement. >> don't know who's going to fill that position right at the moment. we'll know more as we go along. it may not be decided upon with the guys that are here until game time. we may try a couple scenarios. >> reporter: and one of those scenarios could be a couple of guys, rotating, filling that role. guys like will montgomery who went in for him in that game and also co

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let's ignore the fact some of thomas' -- one of thomas' own thomas' own subcommittee member himself hassed business class tickets, along with other members of the general assembly. i'm just saying there's a larger context that i think ought to be out there if you're going to have any kind of serious investigation. not just what david thomas, with all due respect to david thomas, might have accused or said, particularly if it's accusation in one direction and not the other. >> you called it a kangaroo court. >> that is not what i said, john. what i said was we would create a kangaroo court. and i absolutely believe that if we truncate the process and not let the ethics committee go through its process. >> what are you going to do if it plays out this way? >> i'll use every tool in the toolbox. that's why we will bring legal action, if necessary. we will use every tool in the toolbox to say we have to have a full ethics committee report, not a piece of a report. not a piece of a report so that people can then say, tell what you, we'll use that as a grounds to begin impeachment proceedings

to thomas kaplan, editor in chief of "yale daily news," do we know?have you heard what she was carrying in? >> that's actually something we're trying to look into right now, as you can see it playing in the picture. but no, we don't know what that is that she was carrying. >> and what's the building? what is the lab building on amistad street? what is done in that building? >> so it's a variety of different types of laboratories doing all sorts of different medical research. le, she was in the department of pharmacology. that was the type of research she did. but it's a sprawling complex, and as has been said, searching a building of this size obviously very difficult. >> thomas, have you spoken with any members of her family or her friends or anyone that knew her? what have they said? >> anyone that knew her? i'm sorry? >> yes. anyone that knew her. have they come forward? i mean, you are the "yale daily news." you are who they would speak to. >> we have not heard from her family or her fiance. we have heard from some of her friends, many of her coll

>> no, not at all. >> larry: thomas sdshgs this look like a very, very strong case? thomas? >> yes.at's what it seems like from what investigators have told us. sources say that there was a dna match between raymond and annie le, and that's what brought the warrant today and the arrest. couple that with the records of the key cards in the building that show that according to news reports, that ray was the last person to see annie alive, and it does seem like this is a strong arrest. >> larry: all right. we're going to have to do more on this with all of these guests. we have some legal aspects coming next. our thanks to marcia, bobby, and maurice. we'll stay another segment -- i don't know. i'll be back. (announcer) you can make a bigger difference in the world. you can make a positive change in your career. you can make a greater contribution to the greater good. and you can start today, by earning your degree online... at walden university. where advanced degrees advance the quality of life. >> larry: joined by michael wellnor, professor at the school of medicine. he developed the

thomas starting with you, any new leads trying to find annie? >> right now the same story as the past couple of days the fbi still searching the research facility where she was last seen but at this point in suspects, leads or indication of foul-play. >> investigators searched her apartment, right? >> that is true, yesterday. >> did they tip you off as to what they might be looking for? >> we don't know. there's just been a report over the wires that they've searched her computer to try to get some idea of what might have happene but it's unclear whether there was anythingú found either the or in the apartment that was of interest. >> as always, we take your calls if you have comments or interest. steve, as an investigator searching her apartment what are you looking for, what clues do you need there? >> first thing they will try to rule out anything of a criminal nature and haven't as of yet and will look at her computer, her phone records. they are going to look at anything in terms of her recent contact or prior contact with anyone. if th

the principles. >> thomas jefferson, yes, but that is -- >> go ahead. >> that is full of altruism and full of the idea that we need to -- in despite of -- it is full of the idea that we need to be our brother's keeper and full of the idea of need as the claim and that is what obama and the socialists use in order to get us to -- to get americans behind them and, look, i'm not a theologian and don't pretend to be one but there is a long christian history here, the catholics and -- in the dark ages, were not capitalists and i don't want to get into the debated on what christianity really stands for, you know? >> you're right. >> i disagree with your version of christiane and the key is we understand, capitalism stands for individualism, and so, self-interest and rational pursuit of our own happiness and that is in our declaration of independence and we latched the campaign for liberty on a moral foundation of the right to pursue happiness, individual happiness, your own happiness. >> you and i disagree on how we get to misery. i believe that god doesn't punish anybody, he is just -- bui

thomas lost his legs in a boating accident when he was just 16 years old. during his recovery he met children whose parents couldn't afford expensive prosthetics. >> my legs are $24,000. a lot of companies will put caps, $5,000 cap, for example and then you have to pay the rest. just raising awareness. that's the thing about the whole amputee deal. it's an ethical deal. yeah. >> in the meantime thomas is still working on the fund he started when he was 16. raising money to help the disadvantaged to get the prosthetics they need. >>> the remains of a new york soldier killed in the battle of antitum during the civil war buried today with full himmary him -- full military honors. the battle included a 21-gun salute by the national guard. the cemetery's honor guard and civil war re-enactors. a hiker discovered the remains on the national battlefield in western maryland last october. the soldier was killed during the battle on september 17, 1862. >>> follow us outside now for a look at baltimore's inner harbor. we've had some rain today off and on. kind of a --

he had cam thomas who blocked that field goal on the last drive.ave panicked myself. >> pam: yes. second and ten. boy, pinkney rolled right into marvin austin's pressure but got it to

thomas, please tell me i'm wrong.please tell me that this murder scene was not left unsecured, uncordoned off, no yellow tape, nothing, for five days. please tell me i'm wrong. i want to be wrong. i want to be corrected on air. >> no, nancy, you're right about that. we actually have two of our reporters on friday go into the basement and look around. >> oh, good lord in heaven. >> two days later they found her body. >> who went in the basement? >> how did that happen? they went into the basement, yes. >> who? >> not necessarily the part of the basement annie was found but they were in the basement, yes. >> who? who went in the basement? >> two of our reporters went down there, yale students, swept their id and went down into the basement on friday. this was 72 hours after annie first went missing. >> okay. unleash the lawyers. dare i say it, smetters, giudice and kessler, you can say what you'll do at trial. go ahead, giudice. >> it's like me going down there and throwing all my fraternity brothers' clothes down there

the best idea comes from thomas jefferson when all men are created equal.ut when you set a country in motion with those ideals ahead of you, at least, and mr. jefferson did not see the contradictions and hypocrisy in the fact that as he wrote those words he owned 100 human beings. but as you set in motion a country dedicated to that, you would be hard-pressed to find a better idea, or at least an expression. çbut we would like to think tht national parks are the expression of the declaration of independence applied to the landscape. because for the first time in human history, land was set aside not for kings or noblemen or the very rich, but for everybody and for all time. it is an utterly democratic impulse and it comes out of fresh opportunities here on this, at these, apparently virgin continent we have inherited. this garden of eden that thomas jefferson himself thought would take hundreds of generations to fill up. but very quickly, four or five, and we are in danger of losing the animals that occupy these places. someone goes against the inquisitive

thomas, let's hit you with that. do we know anything about cell phone records here a call she might have received about that 9:00 a.m. to 10:00 a.m. hour? we know at 10:00 she swiped herself into the building. >> we don't have details about that though we can savely presume the police have looked into telephone records. we have been told this was a fairly routine track for her to run to the lab for a couple of minutes wouldn't be out of the ordinary. whether someone called and summoned her there we don't know. >> don, it is es see if law enforcement to check that, get those records to coincide here. >> absolutely, mike. i would warnlg the police officers have gone through a lot of different people and tried to see what telephone calls came in and, also, what computer messages may have gone back and forth, as well. >> okay. let's take a quick break. more of your calls, again you guys come with great questions. 1-877-tell-hln is the number. when we come back, we'll also talk about this lab technician raymond clark iii,

everything is so real -- >> reporter: thomas kaplin, what do you make of it when you hear these -- thomas of "the yale daily news," what do you make of it when you hear these two young men talk? >> i mean, i think the unfortunate thing about this incident in high school, given the fact that charges were not filed, you know, we know that, you know, mr. clark had no record, no background check would have shown something like this, so it's hard to really say at this point. as far as we know from yale, mr. clark's supervisor said he was a great employee. never had any problems. no disciplinary problems, so that's what makes this whole chain of events so surprising. >> larry: here's what the president of yale had to say about raymond clark. watch. >> mr. clark has been a lab technician at yale since december 2004. his supervisor reports that nothing in the history of his employment here gave any indication that his involvement in such a crime might be possible. it is very disturbing to think that a university employee might have committed this terrible crime. >> larry: this is a puzzle. bobby,

thomas, what do you have?ood evidence of who was in the basement at the time annie was presumed killed. the invest is moving full force. there were rumors and arrest might be made today. police shot that down. >> mike brooks, it is a huge help when we believe you have to have an i.d. card to get into that building. it narrows things down. we talked yesterday about the possibility of someone lurking and waiting for a door to open and walking in. from what you are seeing, that is not the case, right? >> there is always the possibility from the exterior door someone could hold the door for someone to get in. when you get into the building you need a swipe card to go from different parts of the building to different parts of the building. in the basement where they use animals for testing, that kind of thing. i guarantee you there is going to be extra security down there, even though it is rats and mice, but still, they are going to be able to look at the video from outside. there are 70 cameras to see who was com

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she had been strangled. >> straight back out to thomas kaplan with the "yale daily news."can you tell me about sources claiming this guy was a "control freak" at work. control, what? he cleaned out the mice cages. what's there to control? and i'm not laughing at that. i had a job where i cleaned the floor, all right? >> yeah. >> so i'm all fine with that. but control what? >> apparently he was very concerned about the -- how people kept their -- their mice, their cages. they'red been some reports he got very upset with people who wouldn't player plast iic booti. that contributed to why he had a problem with annie. but all of this is kind of speculation that the point. >> but it's my understanding, jean cazares, legal correspondent with "in session." everybody, you're seeing private home video of annie le. products 2005 from abc's "good morning america." there you see her right there at her computer station. jean, let's just get down to the brass tax about these e-mails. didn't he confront her allegedly in some these e-mails claiming she was not following protocol and she r

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judge joe brown, thomas kaplan, dr. henry lee, and pat brown. clinton will be here. we'll talk about health care reform, this year's global initiative. our next subject, president jimmy carter's explosive comments about race. vibrating bristles deep cleag break up plaque between teeth for an enhanced deep clean. manual control plus deep cleaning power. the oral-b pulsar. so metlife removedily's "ifs"the guesswork.ing. combining two essential insurances... term life and disability... in one affordable package. start building your safety net with our term life and disability tool at metlife.com >> larry: former president jimmy carter stirred up a hornet's nest with his remarks about race yesterday. and about an hour ago, had even more to say at a town hall meeting at emory university in atlanta. watch and then we'll introduce you to our guests. >> when a radical fringe element of demonstrators and others begin to attack the president of the united states of america as an animal or as a reincarnation of adolf hitler, or when they wave signs in the

they got thomas kelley, they got thomas the wide receiver out there, fred davis, tight end from u.s.c. -- or malcolm kelly, excuse me, and devon thomas. they went out and tried to draft guys for that red zone and that red zone has been a problem. their quarterback hasn't been great in the pocket at times this year. i mean he has looked lost in the pocket at times this year. so you, as a coach, are trying to give your team an opportunity to score in the red zone right there. if that play works, it's genius, right? john: he must have saw something. you you see something up above. >> got to give the rams credit, they played it pretty well but they've been aneek imic in the red zone -- anemic in the red zone anyhow. i understand sonny's point. he's a hall of famer, it's a little different than what's going on in washington these days. john: mark schlereth, "nfl live," 4:00 eastern. chris: coming up, college ball to talk about as the u. is back. the canes ranked in the top 10 for the first time since 2005 but miami cannot look too far ahead. >> todd mcshay here. anyone else sick and tired

let me start with you, thomas. have we learned anything more about the relationship between the two or how he would know her or how he would have her phone number? >> well, it's a great question. i think what is thought right now is perhaps they did have some contact in the laboratory, given that annie worked with these mice and raymond clark, he took care of them. it seem that's the only way they came into contact. there have been reports of e-mails or perhaps text messages between them, but clearly no romantic link according to the police, but it is kind of a mystery what the contact was and what their professional relationship was like. >> is there any buzz around the lab now about what kind of employee this guy was? i mean, some suggested maybe he was highly controlling and this was kind of his fiefdom. what are you learning just from the buzz around the lab? >> yeah. there have been those media reports saying he was a control freak, he was very territorial, very protective of his laboratory, but according to y

their is a letter that benjamin banner wrote to thomas jefferson in 1791,nd basically thomas jefferson at the time was the secretary of state, and benjamin banneker was this accomplished astronomer who, you know, helped plan the blueprint for the nation's capitol. he was this accomplished man. he published annual almanac's that predicted crops. so he was this accomplished man. he was making, it. i can go on and on about his accomplishments. here with thomas jefferson insisting that african americans were inferior. still the right this minute that should be a part of our education begins he is basically appealing to him as an american and as a scholar, as the christian. he is saying, yakima my skin is as black as night, but i'm equal. how could you see otherwise? we are equal. sure, we are integrated. some y don't see, you know, as in full flower. theñr potential is there. he sends in his almanac. the need for me to help fill in that information deficit and to think you have people who assume that african americans weren't contributing because it's not reflected in what we learn. i know

thomas, i'll start with you, where did the prosecution drop the ball here? >> i don't know if it's so much what they did wrong, it was a tough case. you wanted to see this coach held account act for what people describe as grueling practice, the word barbaric was thrown around. there was the concern among everybody involved in the case or spek tating on the case through the media, if the verdict would have come down guilty in this case, what sort of effect would that have had on high school sports or amateur sports or youth sports all around the country. would a guilty verdict in this case chill you know, that enthusiasm that adults have to get involved in children's sports. >> that was a concern there. mark, as we look at this, i'll say this, if he was guilty and then so be it and there needs to be a chill factor. that is a different argument. when i look at the case, i don't know if you have the rules in place to say coach, you violated x, y and z and by that you are guilty? >> that's correct, mike. the state has to have sufficient evidence. in this case t