when thomas jefferson met thomas paine in paris in 1787, he begged him to sit -- [inaudible] jefferson collected portraits of celebrated men, and in 1787 there were few men as celebrated as thomas paine. he wrote "common sense," the 46-page pamphlet that catalyzed the independence movement and overthrew the british monarchies and the colonies. paine agreed to be painted, and jefferson hung the portrait in quite a place, on the walls of monticello, his house in virginia. that was 1787. now fast forward 40 years to 1828. thomas jefferson is dead. his family are selling off his possessions. when the auctioneerens dig out thomas paine's portrait, they find the canvas torn and battered. there are mouse holes through his eyes, stab marks in his chest. as if some children in jefferson's family had been allowed to vandalize it. the fate of thomas paine's painting is, i think -- [inaudible] for his own extraordinary life. the man toasted around the world in the 1790s -- 1770s and 1780s as the hero of the american revolution ended his days as a discredited pariah, unceremoniously cast aside. the

is that justice thomas likes to take the longer view? i think that's true. i mean we call them created equal because his life is really based on the way. he sees the declaration of independence those core principles and how they realized in the constitution. you can understand it if you follow his life story. i mean, you know. i think yourself, but maybe not all your listeners now. he's born in pinpoints, georgia a gullah speaking area off the coast of georgia. so english isn't really his first language and in rural poverty his father leaves before he can remember his mother really is raising him when he's about six or seven years old. they moved to savannah and he as he said he went from rural poverty to urban squalor and in savannah his mother's working as a maid. he she doesn't have enough money to give them enough food. they're hungry. they're cold in the winter. she brings them to school and he just leaves school and wanders the streets and after two years she realizes she can't take care of those kids brings them to her father his grandfather to raise

and that film was based on a very long interview with clarence thomas. i think you could say he looked right at the camera to tell his story in his own words from its beginnings to today so i interviewed him for 24 hours over a four-month period and ginny and they're the only interviews in the film and that's why clarence thomas in his own words. it was a 25 hour interview in a film so my co-author of the book a long-term friend of the thomases had the idea that we should take some of f that material and put it in a book. the book is 95 percent new material but it follows the same pattern as the film . tell the life story from the beginning and on to today. so i think this is an important moment for people to understand estes thomas and where he is and who he is as a person. >> what was it like trying to convince supreme courtjustice to sit down for 24 hours ? >> it was not easy and it was the largest longest interview ever granted by any supreme court justice let alone one that's reluctant to be interviewed but the film evolved in at each stage and i wa

clarence thomas felt that capped it off didn't feel the church did enough about civil rights.s grandfather was wrong about everything. and that he became, in his words, an angry black man. and his grandfather says you can make your own decisions and kicked him out of the house and the only father he ever knew kicks him out. on his own and he has to go wherever he has fellowship, holy cross in massachusetts and he continues to be radical and helps to start the black student union and engages in walkouts and invites black panthers to come and speak. you may remember this story, i do. and the next part of his work is coming through that and coming back to his grandfather's values and that reaches one of the key moments when he goes to an anti-war demonstration in cambridge, massachusetts and it turns into a riot and he's swept up into a riot. and they get liquor from a liquor store ahead of time and he's caught up in the mob penalty. he hates what he's become. even though he's away from the church when he gets back to holy cross in the middle of the night he kneels in front of th

yet, thomas payne was broke. having made precious little money from common sense, or by any of the american crisis works. so, pain now took on several new writing jobs after a philly. none of which paid a fortune or gave him much satisfaction. the only bright spot in his life, in these came in 1784 when the state of new york awarded him a 300 acre farm, in gratitude for his service to the new nation. a file that the state of new york had confiscated for a loyalist family that it had turned out. a year later, a general washington's insistence they supplemented new york's gift with an additional $3,000. providing this immigrant, former corset maker with a modest degree of financial security for the first time in his life. and, with that financial independence, payne found the freedom to embark on a long, slightly strange campaign to get a single arch iron bridge built across the school kill river. a project that he hoped would jump-start infrastructure projects across the new nation. he went back and forth to engla

that film was based on a long history of clarence thomas.hink you can see he looked right at the camera and tells his story in his own words from beginning to today. i interviewed him over 24 hours over a period and jeannie and those are the only ones in the film. it was a 25 hour interview in a two hour film so my co-author of book, a longtime friend of the thomases had the idea we should take some of the material and put it in a book and its 95% of new material but it follows the same pattern as the film. it tells the life story from the beginning onto today so i think this is an important moment for people to understand where he comes from and who he is. >> whatme was it like trying to convince the justice to sit down for 24 hours? >> it wasn't easy and it's the longest interview granted by any supreme court justice let alone. but the film involved and at each stage i was open and honest with them. in all points of view but i realized that his voice would be lost and he was the best teller of his own story. this way he tells you what he t

ginni thomas matters because this is not just about her. it is about clarence thomas.it is about the supreme court. it is about democracy and above all else, it is about accountability. joining me now -- columnist and author of the book a back to where you came from. also with us -- host of the -- show on sirius xm -- thank you both for joining me. let me start with you. why aren't democrats making more of this ginni thomas issue? why haven't they made more of this issue? why do they always bring a butter knife to a gun fight with the gop? >> weakness. they have chosen civility over law and order and accountability. -- she works at the right wing money and the act of a theme. he works the courts. -- and if the foot was on the -- we know what would've happened. there would've been subpoenas and hearings and nonstop 24/7 clamoring. as soon as we found out those texts that she sent to mark meadows, the qanon texts -- she believes in that. she also sent texts and emails to lawmakers in arizona and also in wisconsin, begging them to overturn the election. and we also know t

benjamin thomas. count three, we the jury find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the aggravating factor, nikolas cruz was previously convicted of another felony involving the use of threat of violence to another person we. we the jury find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the aggravating factor nikolas cruz knowingly created a great risk of death to many persons, yes. we the jury unanimously find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the aggravating factor, the first-degree murder of gina montalto was committed, yes. we the jury find the existence of the aggravating factor that the first-degree murder of gina montalto was especially heinous, atrocious or cruel, yes. we the jury unanimously find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the aggravating factor, the first-degree murder of gina montalto was committed in a premeditated manner without any prete

benjamin thomas. counts three, gina mont. we the jury unanimously find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of aggravating factor nikolas cruz was previously convicted of another felony, capital felony or of a felony involving the use of threat of violence to another person. yes. we the jury unanimously find that state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the aggravating factor nikolas cruz knowingly created a great risk of death to many persons. yes. we the jury unanimously find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the aggravating faker the first-degree murder of gina mont was committed while nikolas cruz was engaged in the commission of a burglary. yes. we the jury unanimous find that the state has established beyond a reasonable doubt the existence of the aggravating factor that the first murder of gina montalto was heinous, atrocious or cruel, yes. we the jury, unanimously find that the state has established beyond a reasonable do

that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines.just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem here is that ginni thomas was not just writing an article or t

that's why ginni thomas is in the headlines.s just one of a number of people who had these views and who took part in some of these activities leading up to january six. but the problem here is that she is married to a sitting supreme court justice. the question is going to be down the road, the next time it matter and support for the supreme court related to the january six proceedings, it's clarence thomas going to recuse himself? he has already not recused himself from one of these matters, and what is going to happen the next time around? that is a real problem because the supreme court justices, it's tough to ask a supreme court justice to recuse themselves for this reason, because unlike a lower court, you cannot put in a substitute supreme court justice, so that would mean going with eight justices instead of nine, and that's a problem because you have an even number of justices. you don't have an uneven number of justices, so you would have a split. the problem here is that ginni thomas was not just writing an article or

this week the committee sat down with ginni thomas, the wife of the supreme court justice clarence thomastold the committee that even though it is 2022 she still believes that the 2020 election was stolen, and that comment, as you can imagine, it had praise from trump putting out a statement >> i want to switch gears for a moment and talk about the january 6th investigation. this week the committee sat down with ginni thomas, the wife of the supreme court justice clarence thomas. she told the committee that even though it is 2022 she still believes that the 2020 election was stolen, and that comment, as you can imagine, it had praise from trump putting out a statement thanking her for her quote, having the courage of her convictions. what does it say about the state of politics in our country that nearly two years after the election, the wife of a city supreme court justice continues to spew these dangerous conspiracy theories? >>, are part of a mainstream republican party now.. for their insane conspiracy theory beliefs. the titular head of the republican party is donald trump but he con

this week the committee sat down with ginni thomas, the wife of the supreme court justice clarence thomastold the committee that even though it is 2022 she still believes that the 2020 election was stolen, and that comment, as you can imagine, it had praise from trump putting out a statement thanking her for her quote, having the courage of her convictions. what does it say about the state of politics in our country that nearly two years after the election, the wife of a city supreme court justice continues to spew these dangerous conspiracy theories? >>, are part of a mainstream republican party now. . for their insane conspiracy theory beliefs. the titular head of the republican party is donald trump but he continues to give a platform, and a permission structure to qanon, conspiracy theories, and other very dangerous an extremist conspiracy theories. and the leadership of the republican party is where is mitch mcconnell, where is -- >> missed mitch mcconnell is getting death threats from the president. his wife is getting asian hate tweets from the former president. >> my point exactly

and what a judge thomas and justice thomas's options are? he did order the justice department to respond within a week. did he have the option of putting some kind of emergency stay in place here? >> yeah, he is assigned to the 11th circuit as their circuit justice. ian sherr as such as justice roberts is thinking today trying to protect the legitimacy of the supreme court, the last thing he need is this dispute being presided over by clarence thomas. but there he is, because he is assigned to get circuits, so this is what's referred to as the shadow docket. this is not merit rethink the way that they get cases to the usual processing, where they agreed to hear a, case full break briefing, full oral arguments. instead, it comes to them sort of this emergency appeal basis. in the same way maybe there is a request to stay of execution. so he could decide this himself. or more likely he could refer to the whole courts. and i'll make a decision about what to do with this. on a face, lawrence, it's just an absolute nonstarter, legally. because wh

, wife of justice clarence thomas.ead voter fraud, the pant will chairman told the 106 committee, this week she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. of course it was not, but ginni thomas is not the only one who shares this view. nearly two years after his election defeat, donald trump's lies still have a hold on gop voters. look at this. a new monmouth university poll found 61% of republicans still accept the big lie of the stolen election. joining me now, chief white house correspondent for the new york times, peter baker. his new book, the divider, trump in the white house it, is out now. also with us, former u.s. attorney and co-host of the hashtag sisters in law podcast, barbara mcquade. both barb and peter are msnbc analysts. barb, peter, thank you for joining us. we, no luck, ginni thomas is not just some random person sharing election memes on social media. she is the spouse of a supreme court justice. she played an active role in the plot to overturn president biden's election victory. peter, how did w

liberty.♪ i would like to thank a great woman named ginni thomas.d that she still believes the 2020 election was stolen. she didn't say, i'd like not to get involved. >> that was donald trump last night praising ginni thomas for holding strong to her belief in the big lie, which we now know she reiterated during her interview with the january six committee this week. that's the problem here. not only because she pushed through multiple avenues adverts to overturn the 2020 election, but also, let's be honest, because of who her husband us. as michelle -- new york times, you don't have to be a left-wing anti trump minion of the deep state to think it's a bad look for american democracy to have the wife of supreme court justice implicated in a multi tentacled scheme to overturn -- ginni thomas claims her husband, clarence thomas, had no knowledge of her postelection activities, but he doesn't need to know all the details to support the big lie like she does. lest we forget justice thomas was the lone dissenting vote on the supreme court when it rejecte

thomas. >> aye. >> motion passes. >> will take a second here. and i'm going to speak for the board and i'm nobody is deserving on this. with the governoror talk with the relaxation of pandemic. the board extend thanks and gratitude to staff who cio and her staff and -- [inaudible] unfortunate and it does change the way we work butt upon point is upon the retirement system has functioned, prospered and except for a few glifrners normal and expected above and beyond expectation of the board members. thank you. i assume you can extend that to the team. >> okay. >> at it time the board will move to a closed session item 4a and a conference with legal council on pending litigation. and now -- go ahead. we ask for a vote to go in closed session. dom we have a vote on that last item. >> we did. >> it is i pending litigation wey need to take a vote to board to invoke the attorney/client privilege and then go to closed session. >> okay. we will take a vote for attorney/client privilege to go in closed session for the litigation discussion. >> so moved. >

but ginni thomas actually believes this stuff.s opposed to a lot of republicans were just saying it. yamiche: you also had a scoop this week on the oath keepers trial. tell us about it and how all of this is somewhat connected. >> there is a woman who is the general counsel for the oath keepers. she was on the grounds of the capitol that day. she was involved with lawyers for triumph. i have been talking to her for a while. i called up andrew giuliani and it turned out that they were in communication after the election. she puts those two things together. we will find out a lot more in the upcoming trial about this connection. yamiche: the president is trying to navigate all of this. he wants the doj to remain independent. but everyone is talki about it. what are you hearing? >> i think he is very careful to get nowhere near the doj part of it. you have seen him use the january 6 hearings in his messaging. you saw him really ramp up his rhetoric about the threat to democracy. pointing to some of the evidence in the generate six he

clarence thomas might ultimately rule against lindsey graham. that doesn't change the fact that clarence thomas has violated a perfectly reasonable law by participating in this case. the case in which his spouse quote, is known by the justice to have an interest in that could be substantially affected by the outcome. by not recusing in this case, no matter how the case turns out, clarence thomas has disgraced himself and the united states supreme court once again. remember, the issue of recusal is not about the judges actual and real inability to be fair. the issue of recusal turns on our perception, a regional bull person's perception of a judges potential conflict of interest. this is full of that. for three justices of the current supreme court. all of whom should be recused in this case. none of whom will recuse in this case. not on the trump and. in the other criminal investigation targeting donald trump, the new york times is reporting tonight that prosecutors are focusing on two witnesses, one of whom who was seen on video actually moving

thomas called it an iron cloud rule, her and her husband, justice clarence thomas, they never speak about cases pending before the supreme court. ask clients if that is true. that's what we learned about the testimony this week. tucker carlson continues to push pro-russian propaganda on his show. wait until you hear his latest claim that russian tv is predictably eating up. all of that and more is coming up. >> good saturday morning to you. i am katie fang. we begin the show in south carolina. that is where residents are waking up to the devastating damage left by hurricane ian. the powerful storm made landfall again yesterday. a category one hurricane around 2 pm eastern. it was downgraded hours later to a post-tropical cyclone. and now pushing its way north. the storm caused severe flooding in parts of the state. this is what we are looking at. it is a neighborhood near myrtle beach. roads are underwater after heavy rain pounded the area. several piers along the coast, including this one, they were partially collapsing from the storm surge. meanwhile, in the state of florida, at least 2

thomas, great to have you with us today. thomas: thanks. scarlet: geopolitical risks.ut to embark on its first winter with -- without gas supplies from russia. thomas: we are in a time of complete disruption. we have been living with a constant energy mix that was at an interesting price. we see two revolutions. one is a revolution of the mix. how do we go to a more sustainable mix? europe should use that as an opportunity to go to a mixture that is more sustainable and is also giving them competitiveness in the long term. >> how much do you see happening right now? or is there a sense that if we hold out long enough, we go back to a sense of the way it was? thomas: how do we make sure this winter and next winter there is enough energy? there is the question of how can we replace rushing gas with american energy. how can we make sure we are bridging certain areas where we don't have enough energy, by also igniting carbon intensive energies? the second piece is a more medium-term piece. we need to have a look at how can we use this opportunity of acceleration toward a m

>> thomas: not seeing anyone right now.of work, i'm just focused on my son. >> hope: so, ridge is coming home from aspen today? >> brooke: he'll be landing anytime. >> hope: well, i think it's

so, ginni thomas has claimed that justice thomas never knew about her texts to mark meadows. on capitol hill or a doj believe her on that? >> i don't think it's about whether or not they believe her, i think that whether or not they have found evidence the contrary. and i don't believe that it's happened yet. >> and could you explain what is going on in the debates surrounding executive privilege when it comes to both the mar-a-lago case and the january 6th investigation? >> particularly in mar-a-lago, because judge aileen cannon who appointed the special master has brought up herself several times in the ruling. basically it's a question about whether or not donald trump, the former president, has executive privilege in any matter, including whether or not he has control over government documents. which the current executive would have, there is some privilege there. what's so fascinating about this to me is that in conservative legal circles, particularly the ones from which ginni thomas and clarence thomas and other important conservative thinkers come from, the idea of ex

i speak, of course, of ginni thomas, wife of clarence thomas, who believes the 2020 election was stolen from donald trump, a false belief. she actually works to further donald trump's attempted coup. yesterday she testified about her actions before the january six committee. she answered the committees questions for four hours and told them she still believes those false claims about the election, which does not make me feel great about ginni thomas's general level of processing of the world. i want to be super clear here. people are not responsible for their spouses opinions. lord knows, i don't want kate held responsible for 98% of my own -- but in the case of ginni thomas who are spouses is undeniably relevant. one of the things the committee has wanted to ask her about is her email conversations with, for instance, john eastman. that is the infamous author of the so-called coup memo, the legal mind plotting the coup. jimmy thomas knew him, likely had his email address, because he's a former clerk for her former for her husband. they also asked about her messages to chief of staff ma

you know, the word recusal doesn't seem to be in clarence thomas' lexicon.he's wading in to the same territory in which he has a conflict. he's the one who voted to withhold his own wife's deeply damaging and potentially incriminating text messages to mark meadows, urging him to overturn the results of a presidential election. but here we go again. now, we can perhaps talk each other down a little bit because it looks like this is a temporary pause, and it looks like clarence thomas said we're going to wait to receive the legal brief from fani willis and her team, which is due on thursday. and then as you say, clarence thomas can still act on his own and either reject lindsey graham's claims or accept them and say, yeah, we do think lindsey graham is above the law, and he shouldn't have to testify about the crimes of donald trump, or clarence thomas can give the issue to the entire court, which i think is the only way to at least pretend the decision will have some legitimacy. >> and even then, i don't trust those six people. they're politicians. i think the

now, hatch always believed clarence thomas.ut he did say that out of this spectacle, really, that out of this terrible event, one good thing that happened. and that was the issue of sexual harassment in the workplace was suddenly discussed by americans and brought out into the open, and that is a good thing. and i would totally agree with him on that. but don't forget that there is no person more responsible for shaping the modern supreme court than orrin hatch. his work on the judiciary committee and with many confirmations. but remember, he was ruth bader ginsbu's biggest champion acrding to ruth bader ginsburg in the mid-1990's when she was nominated by bill clinton. and the reason hatch did that was he respected her as a jurist, and he thought she was the most qualified of the likely candidates that clinton was going to put forward. so that is kind of a forgotten piece of this equation that is really kind of fascinating. and again, i think it speaks to a very strong streak of intellectual honesty that hatch had that i think

thomas thomas and i also have our own transmission together. that is.e the ones who do this in germany, how big is your audience. i'm just interested in our viewers, probably also said that the alternative media is somewhere the honesty of subscribers. that's about a million just on the telegram. i read news that only in the east. in germany, 100,000 people came out, er, to these protests already demanding the singer and demanding the opening of nord stream 2 to stop, er, the supply of weapons, that is, against the actions of the government, you are huge. thank you for taking the time to contact us sergey thomas thank you very much. all the best to you, as always, we will keep. eh, connection. yes, they are alive, whose observers purposefully wanted to kill. i here i confirm just here thomas this hero who was in everything in fact, sergey is at the forefront together with a colleague. yes, we just passed donetsk mariupol and i am answering sergey's question about these artillery shells. the fragments remain. this is 155 caliber - these are nato shells.

ginni thomas, wife of clarence thomas testified that the january six committee this past week, about to overturn the 2020 election results. according to committee madam adam schiff, she answered questions but schiff said that he's skeptical of thomas's claim that she does not talk politics with her husband. >> i generally don't talk about my day-to-day activities. that leaves a lot of wiggle room. that generally means there may be exception undated dave means maybe not day-to-day, but maybe in other terms these issues may have been discussed. >> meanwhile the justice department preparing to prosecute one of the leaders of the capitol riots, oath keepers founder stewart rhodes, and for members of his militia go on trial starting tomorrow. they face up to two decades in prison for charges of seditious conspiracy. joining me now is andy cohen, investigative reporter and -- author of the new book, a death on w street, the murder of seth -- congressional reporter for axios and -- what's at stake in the oath keepers trial? >> this is the most high-profile, arguably the most important trial

thomas partey opened the scoring at the emirates stadium. spurs had a player sent off.rto de zerbi made an impressive start as brighton's new head coach, as they drew 3—3 at liverpool who dropped points again. leandro trossard scored a hat—trick for the visitors, who remain fourth in the table. liverpool are ninth. elsewhere, conor gallagher scored a last minute winner against his former side as chelsea won 2—1 at crystal palace, giving graham potter his first win since taking over as manager. west ham beat wolves 2—0 in the day's late kick off. in scotland, celtic bounced back from their first premiership defeat in a year with a 2—1win over motherwell. rangers remain two points behind after they won at hearts, ryan kent ending his 22—game drought by sealing a 4—0 win in stoppage time. elsewhere, there were wins for st mirren, hibs, aberdeen and stjohnstone. max verstappen could have to wait a little longer to win his second formula one world title, after he only finished 8th in qualifying at the singapore grand prix. the red bull driver was frustrated to abandon his cl

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thomas is a lawyer and she actually wrote the things. those text, have become public, chief justice john roberts has not said one word about the obvious conflict of interest that clarence thomas has in any case involving donald trump. in fact, justice john roberts has never said a word about how to deal with conflict of interest at the united states supreme court. our next guest has a plan for that. joining us now is democratic senator elizabeth warren, of massachusetts, she's a member of the senate finance committee, senate banking committee, and is a co-sponsor of the judicial ethics and anti-corruption act. thank you very much for joining us tonight! senator warren. what would you say to the chief justice about the connection between legitimacy of the courts and conflicts of interest. >> that the court's legitimacy is derived from the belief of the people of the united states, that this court will make decisions based on the rule of law, and not on personal entanglements. that's why we have judicial ethics. and that's why it's's that

talk about the long term and both sides and interesting decision with justice thomas. >> justice thomas has the responsibility because he oversees the 11th circuit and that covers georgia there is an irony here in that of course his wife ginni thomas has been associated with issues related to the 2020 election, and that is just simply on the side here. but he, by virtue of his overseeing this circuit, is the one who received the emergency application by senator graham, who is asking the court to quash in subpoena, because he is using a privilege with being a senator, which is the speech and debate clause. so things that a senator does in the service of that work to legislate and to make speeches on the floor, and to gather information in the course of their work, can't be questioned about that. and so senator graham is asserting that calls he made to brad raffensperger in georgia, the secretary of state there, were to prepare himself for the votes he would need to take to ultimately approve the electors. and as a part of the work he would do in having to oversee the piece of the electio

the five ultra conservatives in the majority, including justices thomas, alito, gorsuch, thomas agreeddid not. alabama argued that drawing a second district for black voters would itself be racially discriminatory. it would favor black voters at the expense of the other voters. three liberal justices pressed why they should upend 40 years of precedent to rule it's basically okay to gerrymander a district against predominantly black communities. >> what strikes me about this case is that under our precedent, it's kind of a slam dunk. you're asking us essentially to cut back substantially on our 40 years of precedent and to make this too extremely difficult to prevail on. so what's left? >> on all the factors the district court looked at, it concluded that the black belt community, which is a community of interest, was inappropriately cracked in three or four districts. why is that actionable? >> can you sustain your hypothesis that under traditional redistricting principles we can have a map that is drawn the way we ordinarily draw maps and has a majority of minorities? >> the conservat

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justice thomas had 100% of the decisionmaking authority. his wife ginny was present at the rally on january 6th. she texted the chief of staff mark meadows in the run-up to that day, in part, help this great president stand firm mark, the majority knows biden and the left is attempting the greatest heist of our history. and now her husband ultimately oversees the entire georgia investigation in his role overseeing that court and we're supposed to take his ruling here seriously or with a grain of salt? >> with a very large grain of salt, i think. so, there is a standard here for a judge or justice to recuse themselves if their impartiality could be unreasonably questioned or if they have a spouse whose interest could be substantially affected by the outcome of the case. that's the standard. >> literally that's the standard? >> it's a federal statute, it's the standard. it's even more severe because she was directly involved with some of the actors that are under investigation in georgia, mark meadows, john eastman. john eastman pleads the fi

thomas cashman, who is sa, has also been charged with two counts of attempted murder. the man accused of murdering olivia pratt—korbel. 34—year—old thomas cashman is the alleged gunman who police believe shot the schoolgirl in her own home. earlier this morning, on the waterfront in liverpool city centre, he and another man were brought to court. they both appeared before a magistrate. as well as the murder of olivia, thomas cashman, from west derby in liverpool, is accused of the attempted murder of olivia's mother, cheryl korbel, and joseph nee — the man being chased at the time of the shooting. the second man, paul russell, is charged with assisting an offender. the ao—year—old is alleged to have driven thomas cashman to an address and disposed of his clothing. he was remanded in custody. both spoke only to confirm their name and address. nine—year—old olivia was killed after a commotion outside her house late at night, on the 22nd august. her mother opened the front door as a gunman fired at another man he was chasing. olivia was hit in the chest and died. this aft

thomas assure the committee that justice thomas was not aware of her correspondence with donald trumptand chief of staff mark meadows. or his lawyer john eastman. now katie, what have you heard from the justice department about ginni thomas's testimony. this is not under their investigation but we know that they're closely watching what the committee is doing. >> that department is closely watching what the committee is doing however because that committee interview ginni thomas and i'm in the justice department will follow suit. what's interesting is that ginni thomas told congress that she believes the election was stolen. so therefore believes that what she did was completely in the right. she does not see her behavior wasn't anyway wrong given the fact that again she believes the election was stolen. i don't know how strong a witness that would make or for the justice department if they were investigating whether or not that was wrongdoing. because her intent was to in her view, uphold what she thought was the right thing to do. however, she is for congress a really interesting wi

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why took so long for the committee to speak with ginni thomas.they did speak with her, it wasn't on a subpoena. in your view, to your knowledge, did the delay in the committee speaking to ginni thomas, and again, not even under subpoena, under oath, even though she clearly tried to overturn the election, was that a result into whole or in part republican vice chair of the committee liz cheney wanting to protect clarence analysts thomas? >> i don't know what's in liz's heart. i don't know what's in the committee's heart. i will tell you this, once you see the data, you have to react and attack. you have to be proactive. when you see these things, back in february and march, when the ginni thomas text popped, when we heard of other things, obviously, with the special counsel policy where jimmy likes to hang out with individuals who are also in the text messages, i thought we should be a very aggressive with her. there are thousands of interviews. i'm not trying to make excuses. i'm pretty blunt about this, there, are more other considerations but i

do i think justice thomas will recuse himself from this matter?ly recused himself in situations where there have been questions or could be questions about his implications, or the propriety of him being involved. and as you know, supreme court justices are not bound by the same ethics rules as other judicial officers. they are a complement of nine, to recuse yourself obviously has real implications for the decision-making authority of the body. so, they do not often recuse themselves unless there's a clear conflict of interest here. whether justice thomas determines he has a conflict of interest is really up to him. and that is perhaps a problem in and of itself, as you say, because of the optics of this particular decision. and the implications for justice thomas's wife, virginia. >> carol, this afternoon trump posted on social media what i could only imagine in a child-like voice, i want my documents back. and your colleagues also reported that trump's former aides say classified materials were routinely mishandled in his white house during his

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