allen. i'd like to pose for the panel two examples, historical examples, that i ask you to comment on in light of your general discussion. the first is thomasefferson who while serving as secretary of state described very quietly george washington as a -- i'd like to know whether you consider that civil or incivil, and also remembering what was said at the outset by chairman leech with regard to the house divided speech. i'm mindful that speech was received at the south as a loud shout which some interpreted as declaring that only war would resolve these issues. i'd like to know how you take that reaction too what was, in fact, a stage diplomatic speech. i agree with chairman leach, but it was received as an outrage. >> david, i'm not sure i heard all of that. i don't hear as well as i should. the first comment was jefferson's attack on washington? >> yes. >> well, he said tough things about washington, and washington acted with extraordinary restraint overall, but at the end of the day after washington was no longer president, jefferson said some very gracious things to say about him. we can point to all kinds of incidents in our history w