among the mystics, hildegard is one and aquinas, they say god is life, thomas aquinas said god is life the gift of life is extraordinary. >> the section on thurman i appreciate that you had mentioned that doctor martin luther king jr. read jesus in the disinherited. >> you said you took him with you to jail every time he went to jail 39 times. >> it is such a powerful book. it's one of thurman's earlier books. but in it he really critiques christianity think the church betrayed jesus. he wrote that before the civil rights movement was gathering steam, but king was powerfully influenced by thurman. in the 1930s with his wife, he went to india and met gandhi and brought home the nonviolent method from him. so thurman was really the spiritual genius, and the elder. he was the elder behind the civil rights movement, but he was criticized for not being in the streets enough. that is not the elder's role. the elder is to hold it together and make sure that the values and spirituality is imbued through the movement. i think history will demonstrate that thurman played an absolutely essential