douglass, by then, a famous man, he went back to the eastern shore, this time with press following thomas ault's death bed in st. michael's, mare you or aren't y? he never found out, which in part of evidence that ault was probably not his ,as to pop that question. i can also tell you on his first ever visit back to maryland's eastern shore, the week after maryland became a fr s 1864, he went back to baltimore for the first time, free baltimore. he gave a speech. among the people that came up to him afterwards was a black woman, a bit older than him. she walked up and said, frederick, i'm your sister elysia. how are you doing? i named my first son for you. he extended family. black and white. d good deal of energy just trying to figure that out. it makes him, in some ways, a prototype of thousands if not millions of other americans, who either seek to discover the multiracial character of families and their past or who find out about it when someone tells them. yes, sir. >> did lincoln and douglass meet? >> yes. >> and i'd be interested, what was lincoln's impression? what did lincoln say about