. >> you mentioned greg martin's and three cups of tea and you were also referencing thomas barnett. who is he? >> thomas barnett in a lot of ways is the guide is best known for the briefing called the pentagon new map. in early 2000, he was the kind of guy that captured the zeitgeist of the department of defense and he had a couple of famous briefings, a powerpoint briefing he would deliver to the military audience which explained how the post-9/11 world shifted. but i went a little bit more into what he was sort of are doing. and part of what he was also getting at is that there needed to be something like a nation building a cadre available to address what he called the gap states, the feeling states. i think that he called at before some and his idea was you've got the army, the big forces that do regime change and the nations have called on to do so but they need people on call and they are a mix of diplomat aid worker boy scout u.s. marine, this kind of mishmash of different things but he was one of the early people articulated in a lot of ways and sort tried to explain what th

you also mentioned thomas barnett. who is he? >> thomas barnett in a lot of ways was a guy who is best-known for a briefing call the pentagon's new map. even the early two thousands was really kind of a guy who captured the department of defense and had a couple of famous briefings, powerpoint briefings he would go out and delivered to military audience, which really explains how the post-9/11 world had shifted. i dove a little bit more into what he was arguing. part of what he was getting a was there needed to be something like kind of a nationbuilding cadre available on ready on call to address what he called the scabs, these failing state. i think he called it the suspense scores. he got leviathan the army, debate forces that going into regime change, go knock over nations who call in to do so and then you meet people on call who are a mix of diplomat aid worker boy scout u.s. marine, this mismatch of different things. he was one of these people who articulated in a lot of ways and try to explain what the new reality was to pe

>> thomas barnett in a lot of ways was the guy who's best known for a briefing called the pentagon's new map. he in the early 2000's was really kind of a guy who captured the zeitgeist of the department of defense and he had a couple of famous briefings, a powerpoint briefing that he would go out to deliver to the military audience which really explains how the post-9/11 world has shifted. but i go a little bit more into what he was arguing and also what he was getting at was that there needed to be something like -- kind of a nation-building cadre available on ready and oncall to address these gap states, these failing states. i think he called it the force. and his idea was you've got, you know, the army -- you know, the big forces that go in and kind of do regime change. they go knock over, you know, nations if called on to do so. but then you need people who are on call and there's kind of a mix of diplomat, aide worker boy scout u.s. marine, sort of this mish mash of different things. but he was one of the early people who kind of articulated it in a lot of ways and sort of expl