i'm now joined by thomas bremond, your director of the is universe center for security policy. um, former secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe is great to see you. great, you talk to and i have to express a double gratitude for being here in law school, because to be honest with you, we don't see many western visitors here these days. did you have any 2nd thoughts about coming here? because of, you know, reputational risk to yourself personally, in the organization that you are heading. them are advisors uh that to indeed, uh, and on board me about, uh, uh, traveling to mosque out at this time. but you know, i always least in dialogue and dialogue. i think is particularly important in times of crisis and so is not coming to mosque. i was basically for the knob an issue after i got the invitation to these procedures that pretty much of readings. and i don't regret to have called me, i think i've had the excellent discussions between the citing off the conference. but also of course, the taking advantage to talk to quite the number of impor

be reconciled without another continental war in europe spoke to discuss it and now joined by thomas bremond, your director of the using us center for security policy on former secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe is great to see you great, you talk to and i have to express a double gratitude for being here in law school, because uh, to be honest with you, we don't see many western visitors here these days. did you have any 2nd thoughts about coming here? because of, you know, reputational risks to yourself personally in the organization that you're heading them or advisors. uh that to indeed uh, and on board me about traveling to miles kyle, at this time. but you know, i always leave a dialogue and dialogue, i think is particularly important in times of crisis. and so is not coming to mosque. i was basically a for the knob, an issue after i got the invitation to these procedures, separate book of readings. and i don't regret to have called them i think i've had the excellent discussions between the citing off the conference. but also of course the tak

the parts with thomas parameter director of the geneva center for security policy on former secretary general of the organization for security and cooperation in europe. at mister bremond group in 2025. the house. okay. as the, the founding document uh for the or c will mark is 50th anniversary and it has some beautiful principals there that actually helped us put an end to the cold war. and i think when that i asked was signed, there was a clear recognition that differences exist and that they have to be dealt with. and yet when we look at europe right now, there seems to be so much stress on you need to you. there's barely annual for even the negotiation, not only between russia and europe or russia in the west, but even within the west. why do you think, 15 years after the creation of the or c, which is supposedly dedicated to freedom of speech, to you know, dialogue as contentious as it may be? why do you think there is such a fervor such a demand on uniform agreement within the western time? i think me the half again. uh, come back to uh, uh, an era off. very tough. tell political a computation and unfortunate the, you know, the print, the principles of fact you r