and thomas buffenbarger.resident of the international association of machinists and aerospace workers, the defense industry's biggest union. rick, you have 2800 employees worldwide. you say you're not laying anyone off yet. but how does congress' inability to act affect jobs at lord? are there plans for hiring off the table right now? are there contingencies for laying people off? >> yes, we're looking at different scenarios, but it's very difficult to understand where we're going because until $5 million in cuts next year will occur and the cuts beyond that, it's very difficult to plan and decide what you are going to do. so we're not only having an issue, but our suppliers that supply castings and forgings and machinists parts are not hiring, they are not spending capital to expand in areas where expansion is needed. so there's just a lot of uncertainty out there right. >> thomas, critics say the defense industry is sounding the alarm on job cuts and the warn act because its trying to protect its profits. i