thomas edison tried hundreds of materials before he got a working electrical.ave to have that room to fail. and the companies that have to resort -- report to wall street recorder, they cannot fail that much. >> i tried many things and failed. did i tell you about the women's liberation magazine i started in new york city? it liberated all the money and not one woman. sharon -- >> i think you have the fiscal realities. there has not been new money under the current administration and there won't be under a new congress. i remember when the debate over arpa energy was to make a mirror image of darpa. and there were a number of scientists who were against it. they said it is not like darpa, the pentagon research project. it has a customer. it is the pentagon. who is the customer for arpa? the other criticism was there was no new money for it. the problem at the pentagon is not the democrats or republicans will cut the science funding but they are siphoning off money from the sides budget to pay for over schedule and over budget weapons project and those things do

. >> when thomas edison develop the electric light bulb, he said -- they said he had almost 3000 goesore it worked. how many years did it take you? >> it took me 17.5 years before we sold the first one it. >> what did you do in that time? you felt that this epidemic not only in developing world but with poor medical practice was a contributing factor to this kind of problem. >> yes, i really had self belief because of when i was studying the problem. it was just logical in the end. no one in the world wanted a dirty injection compared to a clean one. no one would disagree to that. then the challenges of not enough supplies, affordability, or a recycling culture -- those with the issues i had to break down it permitted for a manufacturer to take it on and produce it, it was a major step. >> in your invention, did you look at existing manufacturing processes because there are only a few manufacturers of the syringe is in the world? how did you manage to convince them they should change process, such that it would give that little bit of plastic that renders it unusable? >> i made it as