experience thomas fassbender he's a journalist on a former businessman very good evening to you tell this 1st of all do you agree with forbes saying that the russian economy's now become bullet proof or pretty much because the economy which can pay its external public cash out of its pocket has not much to fear to begin with we're looking at about 10 to 15 percent of g.d.p. the russian public debt which is very very small compared to 6162 percent in germany much higher. in the united states so from that point of view of view yes bullet proof that they were putin said that sanctions imposed on russia are actually backfiring on the west would you agree with him or not. i wouldn't i wouldn't say they backfired because over the last years basically both sides have come to terms with their relative position towards sanctions what of course still hurts the european economy of the same tunes by russia against producers agriculture producers from western europe but that is just a part of the whole picture backfiring i would say the most important is that russia has managed to find ways aroun