you two of those in-depth interviews we're going to begin with the american author and historian thomas frank who spoke to tom about the modern conservative movement as well as the role that it plays in u.s. politics taking away town. presides conversations with great minds i'm joined by american author journalist and historian who may know more about american culture its effect on politics than anybody else wrote his book the wrecking crew of conservatives rule outlines the evolution of the republican party during the past two centuries and identifies republican party as a source of everything that's wrong with this country it is a book what's the matter with kansas documents the rise of conservative populism and what it means for the future of america the rise of the tea party and the troubles in american politics today as writers are more important than ever joining me now in the studio thomas frank thomas welcome it is good to be here neal thank you the republican party has been around for two so i don't know that's. you know i wouldn't blame everything on them i come from kansas everyone

thomas frank on this program some time back might have been the person who voted in forgetting who it was but anyhow he said that while europeans may realize that you know the european working class understands who they are in relation to the rich americans don't because the american working class thinks that there's temporarily embarrassed millionaires. oh that's that's actually one of the things that i think this is has shifted in just three years that there are more and more if you ask people because inequality matter you know used to be how rich the rich are that doesn't really matter i don't really care in fact i want to be there and as long as the level the field is level and the rules are fair. don't mess with how concentrations of wealth how concentrated wealth is now people like hate those those plutocrats are going to keep me not only from being wealthy but even from having a decent stable middle class life and so my interests now you know the interests of people in the bottom ninety eight percent are starting to be quite different and they see that their interests are diffe

i had american historian thomas frank on my show a few months ago and he made this astute observation about just how republicans use government bashing for political gain. cynicism pays massive dividends to conservatives and what's creepy about this is that it's sort of self-fulfilling so conservatives tend to deal in very bad government the they govern very poorly there's one line from the wrecking crew that i always like to repeat because it can never get out there enough and it's from a it's from a guy who is the president of the u.s. chamber of commerce back in the one nine hundred twenty s. and he said in an interview that i found in a very popular magazine from the late one nine hundred twenty s. the best public servant is the worst one nobody's ever said it quite that bluntly since and you can find echoes and i do in the book i find echoes of this remark right up to the present day i mean conservatives say this sort of thing all the time you don't want competent people in government you don't want because if you if government works if you have smart people in government people

games apiece now seems thomas recording a shout out for the bruins as they crushed or visiting candidates by four thirty eight saves in old for the informed goal town zero win frank over a stile started said the twins once again unable to put down three of the tanks to fans for all those hand recounts an email from buying for just two points in the series so far however the home crowd mechanics well with both teams now two victories away from the title the series moves back to canada game five on friday. you don't get to where you are without going through adversity whether it's in the past years whether it's true seasons that's how you grow and when you've been through a lot of different things you're capable of learning from those things and growing from those things and that's what i'd like to attribute this to is that we've been through some tough times where there's going to the playoffs or even during the season you know we have our ups and downs and we're going to battle through those moments and when you when you do that you certainly become a better team. and things go horribly bad off of all souls baseball aside from the outside it's once again defeatin