moral place that ben frank does of being a-- franklin does of being appalled that he had compromised on the issue of slavery and tries to rectify it. >> host: wise men, co-author evan thomasn 1986. kissinger biography, 1992. benjamin franklin: an american life 03. ion tine is '07. steve jobs, 2011. walter isaacson's recent book is "the innovators: how a group of hackers, geniuses and geeks created the digital revolution." somebody's going to buy one of your books wants to read it, which one do you suggest? >> guest: you know, now a days we talk about ben franklin being the person i relate to the most, if you want to sort of understand the role you can play in your civic life and in pulling people together, you know, when i graduated from college i didn't remember who my graduation speaker was, but there was a minister in the memorial church, and he gave a sermon could what we -- called what we forgot to tell you. we told you that this was an exclusive college, and you got into classes that were very exclusive and probably clubs that were exclusive, but what we forgot to tell you is that life was about inclusion, and you will be judged about how many people you bring toget