[applauding] i would like to -- [applauding] of would like to thank thomas geoghegan and hendrik hertzberg for being with us tonight. thank you for coming. >> thomas geoghegan is a practicing attorney and the author of several books including which side are you on and see you in court. to find out more visit this website. >> former governor of virginia, george allen, former senator, mr. george allen. "what washington can learn from the world of sports." >> a great deal. and i learned a lot growing up on the sidelines of the training camps. the overarching thing that washington can learn from the world of sports is that in sports their religion, ethnicity does not matter. what matters is can you help the team when? it is a meritocracy. everyone have an equal opportunity. that guaranteed equal result an opportunity which is what our country was built on. you would never see the way washington operates, redistributing from the winner's to those who are not. if it were up to washington that would take one of the six super bowl trophies of the steelers and say, oh, these poor detroit lions, the