t hour fed jumping on the news seeing smaller rates coming soon joining us, former kansas city thomas honig>> great to be kwi you. >> slowing down seems to be expected what the end rate, terminal rate should be. seems to do be the question, thomas i wonder how you think about that where should that be markets pricing 5% by june, although bullard, this week, last week, said between 5% and 7% the restricted zone what's your take >> i suspect given the discussion i read in the minutes that rate will be -- you're right. slow it, 50 basis points in december no surprises and i think given that they were looking at maybe potential gdp growth being around 2.5% getting rates up to 5% they'll want to that will be kind of the target if inflation comes in higher they'll move it higher than 5% that's where a lot of the discussion in december will focus on should be the end rate and i think you're talking right now at least -- public statements, 5%, 5.25% the number and probably the number they will be and once they get there, and i suspect before june, once you get there, then the discussion will turn t

honig on this story. sara, what did trump's lawyers think that justice thomas could do for them?well, essentially, they were hoping that justice thomas would weigh in and cast votes in objection. saying we want to frame things so thomas could be the one to issue essentially a temporary order putting results in doubt. this is from one of the trump attorney, saying that's the only chance to stop congress from certifying the electoral vote on january 6. as you dig further into the email chains, you also get a sense what a long shot this was. later in the email, the chief says there's a 1% chance that the supreme court would have actually intervened before january 6. >> let's be clear, elie, these is cheeserow and thomas in this. there's no evidence that the justice was involved in this. his wife was quite involved at the state level. this raises even more questions about why justice thomas didn't recuse himself from election-related matters before the court? >> yeah, brianna, this is exactly why people are saying and i agree that justice thomas should recuse himself and should recus