he joins us as the thomas jefferson, just talking about that gentleman, thomas jefferson chair in americanhistory at the university of virginia. this is a new role for dr. taylor. his previous two decades were at the university of california at davis. he is as probably all of you know, a very distinguished scholar, the war of 1812 and wrote the book the civil war of 1812, which really looks at that engagement in great detail, but recently and very exciting for us, who live in virginia, he published the national book award and prize winning, "internal war" and it really looked at the war the 1812 with such a different lens. all allan's ground breaking war the scholarship which highlights this very understudied story of the war of 1812, particularly the runaway slaves who sought their freedom we joining with british forces. it's just something i think is very intriguing and allan, we want to learn so much more, so please come forward and let's hear about this new story of the war. [ applause ] >> thank you, kat, for that very kind introduction, and i'm grateful if to you and leslie for your

it was called "the thomas jefferson our." a brilliant man clay jenkins , does jefferson. brilliant guy. we were going through this one night on the program. and suddenly he came to that one where jefferson said never ask another and he erupted in laughter. jefferson owned slaves. the only reason he was able to do what he did is because he had other people doing the other stuff. it's ludicrous sometimes, but it is great advice. a story that's closer to home in new york. there was an eminent theologian and philosopher at union theological seminary. wrote the serenity prayer. he is remembered for that. neybor had suffered a stroke. his latter years were difficult and onerous. he confessed to his doctor that he was getting tired of getting all these happy letters from people telling him about how the serenity prayer had changed their lives. he said, i just, i'm glad they are feeling that way, but i cannot feel it. his doctor said, do not worry. everybody knows that doctors and preachers do not practice what they preach. i think founding fathers in some cases that is true, too

thomas jefferson feared aristocracy, cut out socializing.e kept new year's and fourth of july but that was it. there were no parties where women and all kinds of unfsht carbohydrates, he called women and courtiers would appear. he had famous dinner parties with men of one party or the other because he was trying to control power. what was happening on f street, secretary of state during the years, dolly was building a mini empire. that's the place in washington, i would say came to washington on an evening, you would see white house dark but house on f street was lighted and in color. that's where republicans, ambassadors -- she was building a political salon there. it certainly becomes difficult when it veeches to the halt but they eat at the madsons' house. it's important to look at jefferson years as not a stand-in first lady but she's building a power base. no wonder when james madison is elected, people are very happy to have mrs. madison at presidentess. i think we can have one more twe to stay on time. >> wasn't it the unfortunate cir

thomas jefferson and james madison. and especially the history of the passage of the statute for establishing religious freedom. he followed that advice. and his decision in reynolds versus the united states fixed to the course the supreme court has followed ever since in its reliance on the virginia statute. the relationship between church and state is among the most enduring concerns of western civilization. but this is embraces the two subjects that my mother said i should never talk about in public -- religion and politics. [laughter] my mother was a wise woman, and she was absolutely right. but the topic was just too fascinating for me to pass up. because questions of church and state, of religion and politics, they embrace our deepest human concerns. how are we to live together as a people? and what place, if any, will god hold in our society? over the centuries various resolutions to those questions have been attended. in america the most important resolution came right here, and in virginia. it is the most impor

a number of americans, hou however -- the ones who would be republican followers of thomas jefferson wanted nothing to do with the old world and kept a sharp eye out for encroaching aristocracy. so as it turned out, this aristocracy/republican balance came down on one side of the other in a lot of different ways. one of the ways this tension played out is issues of power often do was on the field of gender. so in the end, the women of the ruling elite were given the task of conveying the arisk krchriar message to the masses. because they were a lot more private they had a lot more latitude than men to do that. the genius of this persona i am talking about, the republican queen stwhab it made a bold declaration on this issue mixing extremes on both sides for maximum effect. so dolly combined a regal, visual persona with a personality that seemed down right democratic and put it to use at her social events. report after report, mostly favorable, described her regal bearing and fantastical costumes as dolly presided offense her drawing room. over and over her guests cautioned her demean

that was his second cousin, thomas jefferson. if any of you have been to monticello, you know it is a little mountain. marshall got back at his cousin by calling him "the llama of the mountain." in any case, marshall was extraordinary in not giving offense. he was so common -- a wonderful story about him. he is at some kind of farmers market in richmond. a woman has just bought a chicken that has just been killed, and she offers him a quarter to take it home. and he does it. he takes the quarter, takes the chicken, follows her to her house, presents it, and goes back. chief justice of the united states supreme court. he was a very common man, but an extraordinarily gifted human being. this letter to his grandson, when you know about marshall, i think to me is an extraordinary -- it's an extraordinary look at how a successful man builds his own successful life. even though he had some formal education, he nonetheless developed himself. and that of course is what a lot of the secrets of the founders are built around, developing the

you know about thomas jefferson offering and it was accepted his private library as a nucleus of a new library of congress 6, 487 and he said it will take about two weeks for the wagons to arrive in washington. they're so great. they had a fire in the middle of the 19th century but you can see what remains of them in curved bookcases at the library of congress and it's incredible. this man, this renaissance man,

he joins us as the thomas jefferson, just talking about that gentleman, thomas jefferson chair in americanistory at the university of virginia. this is a new role for dr. taylor. his previous two decades were at the university of california at davis. he is as probably all of you know, a very distinguished scholar, the war of 1812 and wrote the book the civil war of 1812, which really looks at that engagement in great detail, but recently and very exciting for us, who live in virginia, he published the national book award and prize winning, "internal war" and it really looked at the war the 1812 with such a different lens. all allan's ground breaking war the scholarship which highlights this very understudied story of the war of 1812, particularly the runaway slaves who sought their freedom we joining with british forces. it's just something i think is very intriguing and allan, we want to learn so much more, so please come forward and let's hear about this new story of the war. [ applause ] >> thank you, kat, for that very kind introduction, and i'm grateful if to you and leslie for your h

boundary to the pacific, he had david danjier's full length marble of thomas jefferson moved and set up on the north lawn in the middle of about where jefferson kept the bears. his wife sarah had called it home sally. sarah had symbolic ideas, too. she was one tough first lady. about her jimmy, as she called him, his greatness. she hung a large portrait of the conquistador over the mantle in the blue room. you can see the jefferson statue today. in the statuary hall. jefferson's was not the only one with live entertainment. zachary taylor displayed his famous mexican war horse old whitey on the lawn where he grazed in peacetime comfort. the delighted public to whom whitey was well known in prince and other things and a hero, hugged him and petted him and took hairs from his tail until in the president's funeral

he joins us as the thomas jefferson -- just talking about that gentleman -- thomas jefferson chair in american history at the yuuniversity of virginia. this is a new role for dr. taylor. his previous two decades were at the university of california at davis. he is, as probably all of you know, a very distinguished scholar of the war of 1812 and wrote the book "the civil war of 1812" which really looks at that engagement in great detail. but recently, and very exciting for us who live in virginia, he published the national book award and pulitzer prize winning "the internal enemy: slavery in the war in virginia 1782 to 1832." and it really looks at the war of 1812 with such a different lens. alan's groundbreaking work "the scholarship" which highlights this very understudied story of the war of 1812, particularly the runaway slaves who sought their freedom by joining with british forces, it's just something that i think is very intriguing, and alan, we want to learn so much more, so please come forward and let's hear about this new story of the war. [ applause ] >> thank you, kat, for

thomas jefferson runs and alexander hamilton, who is usually very polished and well dressed. he looked none of those things three jefferson says what is wrong? he says i'm going nuts over this plan. broker-dealrson over wine and food at his house between james madison and alexander hamilton. madison wasn't going to vote for the plan. he was not going to be too strenuous and his opposition. there is speculation he and jefferson found the additional votes hamilton needed. hamilton would turn around and use his influence, his leverage with the northern states to select a potomac site for the nation's capitol. this cap the peas and cap the country together. what would have been different? number one, aside from the bill of rights, the biggest objection was the power of these negative. he had risked his life to throw off a tyrant. he wasn't going to vote for another one. he was concerned about the power of the presidency. he would not have carried a banner the way madison had. it's my belief that people who believed that the president didn't have the power to remove his subordinate

so thomas jefferson, you know, feared aristocracy. he cut out any kind of real socializing including the new year's day -- new year's and fourth of july, that was it no parties. and he had those famous dinner parties with men of one party or another because he was trying to control power. what was happening, however, over on s street in the house of the secretary of state during those eight years is that dolly is building a little mini empire there. that's the place in washington. if it came to washington on an evening, you'd see the white house all dark up there, but the house on s street full of life and control. and that's where the federalists met republicans and the ambassadors. this was -- she was building a political there. and that becomes most apparent when jefferson insults so much that diplomacy from great britain and the united states screeches to a halt. but the marys eat at the madisons' house. it's important to look at those thomas jefferson years not as a stand-in first lady, but she's building a power base. and it's n

in late june 1790, james hemings, enslaved half brother of thomas jefferson's deceased wife preparednner for secretary of state and two guests. he had invited hamilton and james madison of virginia in an attempt to resolve a stalemate that despite weeks and weeks of off the floor negotiations threatened to break up congress and some thought the union itself. hamilton needed a few southern votes in order to achieve congressional passage of a key component of his plan for funding the federal debt. that is the assumption into it of much of the revolutionary war debt of the states. madison did not achieve any votes to achieve his an george washington's longtime goal, the location of the seat of federal government on the potomac river. not for the first time he and his southern allies had come to an arrangement by which pennsylvania would provide votes for that location in exchange for a temporary residence in philadelphia. each time such an agreement had been reached, new york congressman succeeded in blocking it by promising pennsylvania to support a permanent location in pennsylvania w

betrayal of the american revolution and i think it represents precisely the kind of thing that thomas jefferson and thomas paine and others were fighting against. >> the final two titles selected to the national book awards long list for nonfiction are when paris went dark. the city of light under german occupation, 1940 through 1944. and edward wilson, the meaning of human existence. that is a look at this year's long list for the 2014 national book award for nonfiction. please tune in to booktv's live coverage of the national book awards ceremony on november 19. >> this weekend booktv is in st. paul, minnesota, with the help of our local cable partner, comcast. next we sit down with our author and her book, the late homecoming. very the twin cities is the largest home to the hmong community in the united states. >> it was 1975 and the vietnam war the way the world knew it was or where. so those that still lived in the mountains where my mother and father had been living, the communist government that came to government in 1975 declared a death warrant against the hmong. in may 1975, the newsp

: some of the stories in here one of the first that you tell is the former chief justice and thomas jefferson were related id did not like each other. what was their relationship? >> that was amazing that they did not it and it was so difficult to manage. >> host: marbury vs. madison that helped to establish what? >> guest: to date not much of anything but. >> host: butted established with the supreme court. >> it was given a lot of credibility which it needed. the court was still young and trying to be accepted as the other two branches. >> host: and it you right and marbury and madison's portraits -- portraits hang in the justices citing room. >> they do. >> you also talk about how they enter three by three why do they enter that way? >> guest: we actually don't. the fact of the matter is the justices weight behind the curtains as they are getting ready to enter and as an equal division we stand up 3/6 nine and there they are in favor march in. >> host: those handshakes. what happens? >> guest: that is very important to let me shake your hand to feel the warmth of someone's hand to have tha

with thomas jefferson sort of sweeping into town with this new party, the federalists were really on their way out and they were going to let go without a fight but they were on their way out and so instead of kind of holding together and catherine ackerly mitchell, the wife of senator latham mitchell from new york said why do they keep fighting? they're just trying to pull in splint we are him because james madison's greatest enemies were his fellow republicans. so thank you very much. [ applause ] coverage of the speakers at the symposium on the british burning of washington, d.c. it's 55 minutes. wb war and pulitzer prize winning the internal enemy slavery in the war in virginia. it highlights the understudied story of the war of 1812, particularly the runaway slaves to sought their freedom by working with british forces. let's hear about this story of the war. . >> thank you for that very kind introduction. i'm grateful to you for all your hard work in organizing this to the white house historical association and the u.s. capitol historical association and to james madison's mont

it was something that the 18th century minds, that thomas jefferson felt was important. it became a legacy so even after jefferson was long gone, there were still groups of explorers who were officially going into the west. there was a whole section of the army, the topographical corps that was founded in the 1830's with the specific goal of trying to map and describe the entire geographical area of what the united states occurred to -- considered to be its territory and the exploration kept going on through the 1870's and 1880's, there were still explorers going out there trying to quantify and qualify everything that they were seeing. so whether that needed to happen before people went out to settle or before some of the exploitation of the west for commercial purposes took place i guess is an open question but it was the way that, as i say, the kind of the orderly scientific mind of the 18th century looked at things and they felt this is the logical first step, that we would send people out to explore. unfortunately we don't have many items from these early explorers,

in late june 1790, james hemings, enslaved half brother of thomas jefferson's deceased wife prepared dinner for secretary of state and two guests. he had invited hamilton and james madison of virginia in an attempt to resolve a stalemate that despite weeks and weeks of off the floor negotiations threatened to break up congress and some thought the union itself. hamilton needed a few southern votes in order to achieve congressional passage of a key component of his plan for funding the federal debt. that is the assumption into it of much of the revolutionary war debt of the states. madison did not achieve any votes to achieve his an george washington's longtime goal, the location of the seat of federal government on the potomac river. not for the first time he and his southern allies had come to an arrangement by which pennsylvania would provide votes for that location in exchange for a temporary residence in philadelphia. each time such an agreement had been reached, new york congressman succeeded in blocking it by promising pennsylvania to support a permanent location in pennsylvani

unlike his friend thomas jefferson, madison never had complete faith in majority rule or anything close to it. in a mob, ordinarily decent individuals were capable of abandoning their own reason and joining in the group's enthusiasm. this is what madison wrote to jefferson, which was the operative term for radical sentiment or religious ecstasy that implied a loss of individual conscience. this was central to madison's thinking, protecting the individual conscience. so government had to serve not only to protect minorities but another key idea for him was that governor had -- government had to serve as a neutral arbiter between competing interests. let me repeat that, because it is another key theme to madison. government had to be a neutral arbiter between competing interests so he knew there was going to be tension. he knew there would be conflict. and this is central to the american experience, not union or unity, conflict. it was the new institution proposed by hamilton, the national bank, which led madison more in the direction of a strict construction of the constitution. under th

that was thomas jefferson. amazing. two days before the british arrived, the commandant ordered the navy clerk to get a hold of transport to take 124 barrels of gun powder out of the navy yard into the safety of virginia. booth settled up across into georgetown and saw a wagon outside a store. he rode up and told the two apparent owners he was impounding it for the department of navy. this is wartime. and so some citizens who might normally have buckled to bureaucratic pressure bustled chasing off government officials with abuse and profanities. this is exactly what happened to booth. in a vivid chronicle written two weeks after the departure of the british, he described what happened next. and it's got my fingerprints all over it at the national archives. i dismounted and followed them into the store. where they made use of such language as was degrading to gentlemen. he didn't have any backup power. he didn't get the wagon. but booth was one of the last to free the city before the british arrived. and before he did so

growing up i was a big fan of thomas jefferson. i thought he was the greatest president that there was. i loved peas growing up. he grew peas. i love wine. he went broke with wine. i loved him and thought he was fantastic and then i read your book. [laughter] fantastic book. it changed my mind on jefferson. so, i have two questions. what are my questions is in all of your research, have you ever changed your mind on any of the people you have written about? i'm reading your book on adams and i love adams. i tend to agree with him more. that is one of my questions -- do you ever change your mind about anybody you are writing about? number two, i know it is difficult to put people in the past into the modern times but, when i read your books i try to figure out where politically jefferson and adams and jefferson and washington and hamilton -- where they would be politically on the spectrum. i get the feeling that jefferson would actually be a tea party guy. he hated big government. >> he is a libertarian. >> could you just briefly go

ambassadors from several west african countries will be at thomas jefferson university to discuss the virus and the recent outbreak. representatives from the national institutes of health will also be there. why? well, work is currently being conducted on a possible vaccine at thomas jefferson university hospital. >>> a three-day lock down aimed at combating ebola in sierra leone is ending and is called a success. the government ordered the 6 million residents of the city to stay in their homes. sierra leone has been one of the countries hardest hit by ebola in west africa. >>> and happening today in florida, the retrial of michael dunn is expected to start. dunn is charged with killing an unarmed teenager during an argument over loud music. in february he was convicted of attempted murder for shooting three other teens, but the jury could not reach a decision on the murder charge. >>> a person of interest has been named in the case of a missing university of virginia student. it's been ten days since 18-year-old hannah graham disappeared, and police think this orange chrysler holds s

you about "out of order" and one of the first stories you tell is former chief justice -- and thomas jeffersone related and did not like each other. >> guest: that's right. isn't that amazing? >> host: what was their relationship? >> guest: i've forgotten specifically but cousins or something. it was amazing that they didn't like each other and it was so difficult to manage that they did. >> host: the marbury versus madison case, that was during president jefferson's tenure and exactly what did that case establish? >> guest: well i don't know that today we'd say much of anything but. >> host: but it established the court as an equal branch. >> guest: it was treated as an equal branch with the other two and give him a lot of credibility which it needed. i mean the court was still young and trying to be accepted in the country as an equal voice for the other two branches, with the other two branches. >> host: and one of the things you write in "out of order" is the marbury and madison's portraits hang in there just as his private dining room. >> guest: they do. isn't that something? >> host: jus

ambassadors will be at thomas jefferson university to discuss the virus and the recent outbreak. represent yinatives from the national institutes of health will also be there. work is currently being conducted on a possible ebola vaccine at thomas jefferson university. >>> a three-day lockdown aimed at combating ebola in sierra leone has come to an end this morning and authorities are calling it a success. streets have been deserted since friday when the government ordered the country's 6 million residents to stay in their homes. sierra leone has been one of the countries hardest hit by ebola in west africa. >>> today, suicide prevention awareness day in pennsylvania. the state is offering a free training session in harrisburg starting at 10:00 a.m. to help people understand the causes and signs of depression and suicide. there are 1,700 suicides in pennsylvania each year. >>> and a big honor for a bunch of losers today. well, let me explain. weight watchers of philadelphia will present a check for $10,000 to the hero thrill show. it's in honor of the philadelphia fire department

one of the first stories you tell is that former chief justice john marshall, and thomas jefferson, were related, and did not like each other. >> guest: that's right. isn't that amazing? >> host: what was their relationship? >> guest: cousins or something. and so it was amazing that they didn't like each other, and it was so difficult to manage. but they did. >> host: now, the marbury versus maddison case. what did that case establish. >> guest: i don't know that today we say much of anything. but -- >> host: it established the -- >> guest: the supreme court, and was -- with the other two and given a lot of credibility, which it needed. the court was still young and trying to be accepted in the country. as an equal voice for the other two branches. -- with the other two branches. >> host: one of the things you write in "out of order" is that marbury and madison's portraits hang in the justices' private dining room. >> guest: they do. it's something. >> host: some of the traditions of the court, such as the entering, three by three. why do justices enter that way? >> guest: three by three

coming out on jefferson's birthday next year, april 13th, 2015 called democracy's muse, how thomas jefferson became an fdr liberal. description of the white house historian. but anyway, and with him is nancy isenberg, who is also distinguished professor at louisiana state university. she's the author of two prize winning books. sex and citizenship and ant b l antebellum america and the co-author of "madison and jefferson." please welcome our speakers. [ applause ] >> there we go. i like to give a shoutout to a war vet, not the war of 1812, number 12235370, thank you for your service, dad. you -- [ applause ] you may wonder why it is that nancy and i got to be the closing act at this festival. as wonderful a job as the white house historical association and u.s. capital society and montpelier have done, they were unable to get jimmy hendricks to perform the star-spangled banner. i'm glad you remember woodstock. by going last, we get to put an end to this nasty war. and to start picking up the pieces. which is to say we get to talk about historic memory. the nature of historic memory. we get t

thomas jefferson and alexander hamilton and governor morris. they were involved in the creation of the dollar, the first purely decimal measure that was ever put forward by your country. everything was divided into quarters, almost everything that the roman empire did was in 12th. shillings per 20th of the pound and that came from charlemagne. so anyway, they had this idea that the new country had to have a revolutionary system of measurement to go along with the revolutionary idea. so they came up with this. and you can see the spelling, the original spelling didn't change about 100 years later. plus jefferson came up with a system when he was the secretary of state. washington asked and basically charged him coming up with a system of american measurement and it didn't but he came up with the first comprehensive system of the measurement that was ever proposed to the government. it obviously didn't work. but the reason it didn't work as he called congress they shouldn't vote on it because there was a better system coming. if there was another

thomas jefferson didn't want us out there he came up with an entire decimal system washington charged with coming up with a system of american measurement and didn't really give or take us in any way but he came up with the first comprehensive system of the decimal measure and that was ever proposed to the government. it obviously didn't work. but the reason it didn't work as they told congress that they shouldn't vote on it because it is a better system coming. there was another system coming from france. during the revolution, the french came up with a thoroughly radical version of every system of measurement. they not only decimal lies to the length and weight and volume but also the calendar, the thermometer and the clock which didn't catch on although some of the people did convert into the clocks at home they were actually put on the public spaces. the whole reign of terror thing didn't really go well in the anglo-saxon countries and it wasn't very popular to be saying we should go match rick at this time so jefferson had his own problems he thought that it was too french. [laug

congress, helm on wrote the civil war, and baseball, and we did biographies on thomas jefferson, susan b anthony, mark twain, the history of jazz. a biography of jack johnson, the first african-american heavyweight champion. a history of world war ii called "the war." the history of prohibition and the roosevelt. i'm probably missing two or three. host: we are talking about the roosevelts on tbs all this week. i want to ask mr. burns, would you explain that again -- i've watched that last line and i will watch it till it goes off, about how they were related ? one more question, i love your shows. i've watched all -- especially lewis and clark. will that ever be back on? thank you so much. we love that one too. every time it plays, cbs plays these ready frequently. check local listings. this is a very complicated family drama. most eleanor and theodore r fifth cousins of franklin. i am a seventh cousin of free door -- theodore and eleanor, so you can say that fifth cousins is far away, but eleanor is the niece of theodore. that means that theodore's brother elliott is eleanor's father

thomas jefferson liked to call his election a revolution. a win is a win but hardly a revolution. efferson cast over at his republican simplicity and not wishing to asking congress for money respecting washington's house he made few notable changes other than the wings to the sides that gave it a sort of a dish to sit upon. the destruction of the white house by fire in august of 1814 was a low point in the american war of 1812 as president madison's butler was poking around in the ruins to rescue what he could. notably, the kitchen stove. andrew jackson's miraculous victory arrived in washington by horse back messenger, young hampton ii. victory had come on the banks of the very american river that they held in such importance. for all its strategic questions, to americans, the west had won the war against england. that was the big show piece. madison ordered the public buildings repaired, an odd word to use and summoned them to the white house to rebuild what he had built for washington. exactly as it had been. and in doing this, madison clearly acknowledged the important identity

thomas jefferson liked to call his election a revolution. a win is a win but hardly a revolution. ferson cast over at his republican simplicity and not wishing to asking congress for money respecting washington's house he made few notable changes other than the wings to the sides that gave it a sort of a dish to sit upon. the destruction of the white house by fire in august of 1814 was a low point in the american war of 1812 as president madison's butler was poking around in the ruins to rescue what he could. notably, the kitchen stove. andrew jackson's miraculous victory arrived in washington by horse back messenger, young hampton ii. victory had come on the banks of the very american river that they held in such importance. for all its strategic questions, to americans, the west had won the war against england. that was the big show piece. madison ordered the public buildings repaired, an odd word to use and summoned them to the white house to rebuild what he had built for washington. exactly as it had been. and in doing this, madison clearly acknowledged the important identity o

that was thomas jefferson. amazing. well, two days before the british arrived, the commandant ordered the navy clerk to get a hold of transport to take 124 barrels of gun powder out of the navy yard into the safety of virginia. booth settled up across into georgetown and saw a wagon outside a store. he rode up and told the two apparent owners he was impounding it for the department of navy. this is wartime. and so some citizens who might normally have buckled to bureaucratic pressure bustled chasing off government officials with abuse and profanities. this is exactly what happened to booth. in a vivid chronicle written two weeks after the departure of the british, he described what happened next. and it's got my fingerprints all over it at the national archives. i dismounted and followed them into the store. where they made use of such language as was degrading to gentlemen. he didn't have any backup power. he didn't get the wagon. but booth was one of the last to free the city before the british arrived. and before he

has concerns na the curriculum has no reference to martin luther king junior, james madison, thomas jefferson and it's interesting today i saw a post on social media from a parent who has a student taking the a.p. history course, and he said there are obviously several returnses to martin luther king junior and thomas jefferson, john adams, john quincy adams, so i am not sure what she's talking about. >> what do you think will happen? >> you know, this school board is known for making proposals and pushing through their agenda kind of at the last minute. so really anything is possible. we really just don't know what they are going to do. >> michelle patterson, we'll watch with you. good to have you on the programme. thank you. >> thank you. >> a grand jury announced there would be no criminal charges against nascar driver tony stewart. the decision coming 7 weeks after his car struck and killed fellow driver kevin ward during a race in western new york after the driver's cars collided. ward was hit when he stepped out from his car on to the track. toxicology showed ward had enough marijuana i

betrayal of the american revolution and i think it represents precisely the kind of thing that thomas jefferson and thomas paine and others were fighting against. >> the final two title selected to the national book awards one was for nonfiction art ronald rosbottom, "when paris went dark." the city of light under german occupation in 1940 through 1944 and edward o. wilson, "the meaning of human existence." that is a look at this year's long list for the 2014 national book award for nonfiction. be sure to turn your channels to c-span2 on november 19. >> next, roz chast, "can't we talk about something more pleasant" of down with booktv at pepperdine university to discuss her book on saudi arabia. in the book she provides an inside look at the history and culture and politics of saudi arabia, which he has covered as a reporter for 30 years. this interview is a part of booktv college series. >> now joining us is karen elliott house. she has written a book about saudi arabia, she has reported on our country for years and years. and before we get into this on your book on saudi arabia. , how did you

one of the reasons we are drawn to the story is that when thomas jefferson articulates universal truths as he thinks as we all think in the declaration of independence that all men are created equal and endowed by their creator with certain inalienable rights simply among these are life and the pursuit of happiness they work of united states saudis tried to make sure it applies to everybody. when jefferson wrote he meant white men free of poverty and free of death. we don't mean that anymore in one of the reasons we don't mean that anymore is because of theodore franklin and eleanor. >> host: so many people in their socioeconomic status may not have taken the same route. >> guest: board feet -- both theodore roosevelt's father in franklin roosevelt's father really believe that there come for demanded of them helping the less fortunate and in their time it was a little more patronizing than it was in the time of their sons. i think their sons basically saw it as their duty. public service was a serious thing for them and theodore roosevelt was the first to say when it's acting correctly