and sally hemmings and also the white descendants of thomas jefferson?ding relationship in many ways. there's some members of a group called the monticello association. those have been rewarding relationships as well. so we have done some discovery. we call each other cousin. and it's been nice. i also feel a great deal of comfort having found my black family which we lost when my dad's family died. i have discovered them. i have found them. we have created relationships together that are extremely rewarding. and i love them. >>> up next, more on the breaking news out of south africa. what we are learning about the new variant that is triggering a wave of infections. >> bryan adams has been been hospitalized for covid-19 for the second time in a month. johnson & johnson is building a future where cancers can be cured. strokes can be reversed. and there isn't t one definitin of what well feels like. there are millions. johnson & johnson is building your world of well. ♪ ♪ grandma, how wide are two reindeer? twenty-seven, twenty-eight, twenty-nine... ♪ ♪ w

there are a lot of statues of thomas jefferson. we are not erasing thomas jefferson from our history. >> who gets to decide who is honored and where is our next topic. when you appear on history as it happens in july around the fourth anniversary of the unite the right rally, the confederate stages did come down -- in august, confederate stages came down in charlottesville, general lee and jackson. our discussion was really about why certain narratives gain ascendancy and why we today believe certain narratives or a certain version of history instead of say a different or more complete or revised version, the issue of the confederate statues is arguably the best one because as a yankee myself who flew down to washington, i am a yankee i guess, moved down to washington dc a decade ago and noticed over the river in alexandria there still streets and roads named after confederates and i was puzzled why that would be the case and in charlottesville, statues were not put up right after the civil war to honor battlefield heroes, they wer

tyler once had dinner with thomas jefferson, not long after he graduated from william and mary.rs and jefferson impressed upon him that a successful politician, particularly in virginia, needed to establish himself in the legal profession.at inn fact, a legal career jefferson said to the young man was a virtual l prerequisite to political career.. so, much like there was really no doubt that he would attend william and mary like his father, like jefferson, like james monroe. tyler iss one of three presidens who have attended william and mary. it became pretty apparent that he was going to pursue a legal career andy shortly after he graduated from the college of william and mary, his father and another tyler relative took him apprentice.al a h little bit later when judge tyler was elected governor of virginia and could no longer supervise his son's legal studies, edmund randolph stepped in.rae he had been attorney general under george washington and really presented young tyler with a very challenging way to approach the law. tyler passed the bar in 1809 at the age of 19. now, this is

how about thomas jefferson, what do you think of thomas jefferson you like him? we take down the statue? he was a major slaveowner. >> trump was right, we will say that a lot i'm sure. >> we will indeed. we sought unfolding once again in northern california, san francisco school board focusing on changing names of schools that honored abraham lincoln and george washington. americans are seeing this, we're seeing this unfold in the polls but what this headset is the nature and part of what it means to be american. because the the nation built on an idea represented by the founders you've got to erase the nation's heroes and then you can erase the reason for the nation to exist. this is classic, you see these people universities sitting around a table talking about this, the state of nature, they want us to revert to this hobbesian reality which is meant to be the next this that people would embrace a totalitarian regime, these are people who come from university that focus on this kind of dynamic, ruining people's lives, creating proposition 47 in california that

thomas jefferson authored the greatest document that man ever seen. you get to rip down history to create your own today? that's outrageous. we should learn from history and not tear it down. black lives matter will only hurt people in inner cities. when people are allowed to loot and criminals roam the streets, that hurts us. >> the professor pointed out the difference between classic liberals and the far left. the far left can you identify something they are doing that makes the lives of regular folks better? >> no, i cannot. they are so far left in their views of the criminal justice system. if this is no resemblance to common sense and logic. they view victims as the criminals. criminals are simply mistreated and misunderstood by a racist criminal justice system and the opposers. law abiding citizens who dare to influence the law or exercise their right to defend themselves and their property. if they do so, they will be demonized by the far left and the mainstream media who will convict them in the court of public opinion. it's tragic. that's wha

how about thomas jefferson. do you like him? we will take down his statue. he was a major slave owner. >> laura: tammy, trump was right. we will say that a lot. >> indeed. and what is unfolding in northern california and the san francisco school board focussing on changing the names of schools that honored lincoln and washington. this is the nature and heart what have it means to be american. because this is a nation built on an idea represented by the founders you have to erase the nation's heros and erase the reason for the nation to exist. this is classic. you can see these people in universities sitting around a seminar table talking about this. the state of nature that you want us to revert back into. it was meant to be an excuse for people to embrace a totalitarian regime. this makes it a ticket if you shoplift anything up to $900. they are asking for people to rely on the worst of ourselves and that's not in the american sensibility. it's not the american way. they are trying to do this. new york is letting it happen. new yorkers and others voted for

it does sound if these people get their way it's gonna go with the, stay in thomas jefferson statues. very long time. the fact is the united states is the greatest democracy, the greatest multiethnic democracy in the world that is brought prosperity in a higher quality of life to more people than any other country in the world. that's an enormous amount to be thing for four. gerry: it's easy to pick up the more extreme language and some of the crazier stuff and people who don't want us to celebrate thanksgiving. a serious point the left is very much in charge of the narrative in many of our schools and our universities and much of the media does have the view of american history that is not the one of the proud one that byron articulated it's one of genocide and slavery and that's why returned on the statutes of thomas jefferson and others. it is pretty much out of stiff with how americans feel about the country. >> i think returned on confederate statues which is not by and large a bad thing. but i give americans a lot of credit. gerry: is not just confederate, he is on the banned li

and we think that you've obviously, been to monticello and the work that you have done with thomas jefferson and the original work on the controversy of the hemmings jeffersons and the origin stories if you will. in your new book juneteenth is doing a different working operating it in a different with the sort of may be a different literary assents in your previous work and how did you sort of move from more maybe traditional historical text into something that was more personal than anything i've ever read. >> blows good change for me in terms of my public writing and when i was growing up, i was something i wanted to be a writer and the kind of writing that i am doing on juneteenth is the kind of writing that i thought that i would be doing it that's i didn't think i would go up to be a historian when i was a teenager and write about enslaved families but i was interested in reading about those kinds of things. but i thought that my writing would be somewhere else. a lot of the desire to talk about a place that is very much and is now, two things happened with these books that i didn't exp

this is a lot of statues of thomas jefferson. >> yes, that's right. i stood at monticello -- >> we are not erasing thomas jefferson from our history. >> there's an issue of who and where -- >> right. >> that's our next top topic because when you appear in july around the fourth anniversary of the unite the night rally, the confederate statues came down, actually, it was in august. generals lee and jackson. and our discussion was really about why certain narratives gain ascendancy and why we today believe certain narratives or believe a certain version of history instead of, say, a different or more complete or revised version. and i think the issue of the confederate statues is arguably the best one because, you know, as a yankee myself -- the i moved down from washington. i'm a mets fan, but i am from the north. i'm a yankee, i guess. moved down to washington about a decade ago, and i noticed right over the river in alexandria, there were still streets and roads named after confederates. and in charlottesville the statues were not put up right after

[laughter] >> how about thomas jefferson? 1755 to 58 and then he thought the whigs were conflating so he switched to the revolutionary. here we go, which of these president and alcohol, cardplaying and dancing in the white house during his morning dump presidency? jane polk, ronald reagan, william henry h harrison or gandhi? [laughter] >> i would have liked you better if you set mary poppins. kennedy: my god is a presbyterian and he played a lot of cards. olivia, which of these presidents famous liquid right in greek with one hand and button in the other? at the same time. arthur, benjamin harrison or spider-man? >> let me go with garfield. kennedy: you are on the board. well done. at any time if you feel comfortablest, give me the question first, you can decide to press your luck. you will double points if you get it right, you lose all of them. which of these presidents had a morning ritual of having somebody rub vaseline on his head while he ate breakfast? was at chauvin coolidge, joe biden or barack obama? >> i would have

i will now discuss certainly why some people hated thomas jefferson.ant to begin by saying that in recent years when i have been asked what moments in american history echos with our polarized presidents. one of myy responses typically t the late 1790s. as an early americanists, i'm aware that the late 1790s does not have somes of the pizazz potential for polarization as, say, the 1850s or the civil war. but the intense polarization of and republicans, the extreme other'ing, , each of th others as unamerican, the press predictions on both sides of chaos, tyranny, and anarchy, the birth off violence that presidet john adams later described as terrorism using actually that si word, the echos of polarization and hate between past and present clearly are very real. so what can this kind of historical hate offer inha the e of insights? part of what i'm going to be discussing in my brief comments this afternoon is that there are different flavors of presidential hate. some more intense than others, some more personal than others, more prone to weaponization

[applause] why many americans hated thomas jefferson, abraham lincoln, roosevelt, lyndon johnson andhard nixon. >> should we talk about what was happening in the 1920s and 30s as white evangelicals were growing in power and prominence and i tend to use the terms they use for themselves so in the 20s and 30s they called themselves fundamentalists and then evangelicals, but the same people from the 1930s to the 1950s. what they believed is the way they were reading their bibles goals and that you could see the bible had laid out the series of events that would tell us when we were living near the lives of the antichrist and apocalypse and some of them were hard to track, like the rise of suffrage [inaudible] and prohibition wasn't being enforced but far bmore important and more interesting to me they were closely watching events, students in foreign affairs. they understood what was happening in europe, asia, africa. it laid out a number of expectations that they were preaching and preaching in the 19 tens, 20s and 30s. one of these important ones was the rise of the historic empire. w

also, another statue has been removed from a city hall this time, thomas jefferson joining a list of over 100 confederate statues from there were torn down just last year. but more holes remain for statues from every period american history leading back all the way to her founding to be removed. will there be any left standing and is it fair to judge history with mom and a standard? i'm going to use and we're going to give you the $360.00 view of these issues on this special panel edition of news views right here on our to america. ah, maybe it is your desire to get out of the house, or maybe you're ambitious to see loved ones who you have missed over the past 2 years. but if you are looking to travel this holiday season, you're not alone. triple a expect more than 10 percent normal will be hitting the rows. however, the biggest search actually happens an airline travel, which is estimated to be more than 80 percent more than just the previous year. and more traverse in flight means the potential for more stressful situations between travelers and airline staff. what are some of the

an american historical association panel why many americans hated thomas jefferson, abraham lincoln,n roosevelt, lyndon johnson and richard nixon. >> let me talk about as the white evangelicals were i'll try to watch my language, i'll probably use fundamentalist interchangeable. in 1920's and 30's, they called themselves fundamentalists, and now evangelical. and the same people, traced from the 1930's to the 1950. what they believed, the way they were reading our bible, they thought they could see signs the baseball laid out, especially old testament, but that we were living near the anti-christ and the epoch apocalypse. >> they were worried about women's suffrage and worried in the 1920, they were worried that prohibition wasn't being enforced. for more interesting to me. this were closely watching the world events. they were good students, almost better, they were understanding what has happening in asia, africa and around the world. in 1980's and 1890, and they were preaching, preaching, preaching. and in the 1920's they began to see some of these fulfilled. one of those was new r

they are making us have to be defensive about thomas jefferson instead of regarding jefferson rightlyu know it, the main story of jefferson has been changed and this is what, by the way, papers like the new york times famously, they said they want to do. they said they want to reframe the american story, they want to rewrite the american story, that's what they're doing and that's what americans have to realize is the game that's on. you know, member mount rushmore last year, the cnn correspondent, they went live and said that the presidents going to kickoff independence day with a speech in front of two slave owners on stolen land. that's where they think all of america is stolen land. they think every single person who founded this country is rotten. if you believe that, you believe in a totally different vision of america the most american people , because most american people do not want to think badly of this country. most american people rightly want to think very well of this country because they should think well of it. they should think well of the founding fathers, they shou

and george washington hires his nephew to copy his letters and present has to take loans like thomas jefferson and andrew jackson saying that the situation signifies the slavery. so it may be unfair to compare premodern presidents to modern presidents, the challenges of difference is not until teddy roosevelt the resident would flee the country, a related problem do you judge them by the centers of their times or hours in our morals have changed already have normative impressions of presidential greatest them play a role in terms of how we interpret of what they did in office and things that may not have been controversial now are very controversial now free to call this the andrew jackson problem by many standards, he was going to be a great president and we definable h by him, the age of jackson, the jacksonian democracy and he himself is a symbol of frontiersmen by reaching the presidency is a powerful message about what is possible in this new country. in the rhetorical could spark regular people changes are politics and a democratizing government service by ending the federalist practice

>> how about thompson jefferson what do you think of thomas jefferson take down the statue because he a major slave owner now take down his statue? so you know what it is fine. you're changing history you're changing culture. dan: lied about that one either -- shocker we can see from this headline about thomas jefferson statue being removed from city hall only after 187 years. what is doubly io roning that liar is clearly, clearly joe biden. who can't get his own autobiography right it is only autobiography that goes in the fiction sixth. the only one. here's some of the examples about how joe biden is confused about the life and times of joe biden. and none of this, by the way is new. here's some footage of one of biden ancient presidential run and lies associated with them. >> i went to law school on a full academic scholarship and it is angted up in top half of my class. i was a outstanding student in the political science department at the end of my year graduated with three degrees. biden now concedes he was not on the top half of his law school class and no three degrees from co

to us over time and i will tell you i have a favorite founder, it's not george washington or thomas jefferson, not benjamin franklin. not even alexander hamilton. my favorite founder is john adams. some say adams is my favorite founder because he is cranky and slightly overweight. i think those are wonderful attributes. but that's not why love adams. he was the heartbeat of the revolution. adams was this person who stood on the floor the continental congress day after day and said it would only be independence that brought the people of this continent true freedom, true liberty, true happiness. he was shouted down day after day by colleagues from all over the country. from pennsylvania and south carolina, from georgia and new york, he kept getting up every day and saying it. it was because of the will of people like john adams and his wife abigail that this country came into being. four years later, after adams had served as an ambassador, after he served as vice president, he was back in retirement writing for his diary and he said he was writing this for posterity. he was writing it for us,

they're interested in getting this into the school and taking down statues of abraham lincoln, thomas jeffersonashington's name off schools. this is a radical project. and let's just be clear, the woke are anti-semitic. they are anti-israel, we know that. [applause] >> so i think when you face that type of -- those types of threats, yeah, you've got to stand for the right stuff. you've got to know kind of what time it is, but you've got to have the strength and fortitude to get through these spikes and i think about the book of joshua where the lord asked have i not commanded you? be strong and courageous. do not be frightened and do not be dismayed for the lord, your god, is with you wherever you may go. this is the time that we have to understand and in t

meanwhile, here in new york city a statue of thomas jefferson was removed from city hall after 187 yearsand once they're done, the same crate will be used to pack up mayor bill de blasio. historians agree that, of course, jefferson should be remembered, but he needs to be contextualized: "moving this statue doesn't mean new yorkers will forget who thomas jefferson was, but some of them might learn from the controversy that the man who wrote 'all men are created equal,' owned over 600 of his fellow humans," a professor at john jay college of criminal justice said. ( as professor ) "yes, we have to be careful we don't blindly honor men who owned slaves. now, if you'll excuse me, i've got to go back to teaching my ?"se ( laughter ) meanwhile, in under-the-seas news, octopuses will have their feelings protected under a new u.k. law, which recognizes that many sea creatures are sentient beings with the capacity to have feelings, including crabs, lobsters, crayfish, prawns, and squids. so, all the ones we boil alive? that's clearly inhumane. from now on, we strangle 'em first. ( laughter ) get

in reclamation, thomas jefferson's monticello recalls efforts to have sally hemmings recognized as a descendent of the family and reflects on her own connection to hemmings and jefferson. that is a look at this week's publishing news and the latest nonfiction books. thanks for joining us on about books available as a podcast on c-span now or wherever you get your

represents >> so the original name was jefferson national expansion memorial to commemorate thomas jefferson's vision for westward expansion in the louisiana purchase we still tell the stories of westward expansion tha provided so much opportunity for people to move west and create new opportunities for their families >> and st. louis was key in that >> definitely. >> complete in 1965, the arch is as tall as it is wide 630 feet, tops out as the tallest american monument. a monument to the past with unparalleled views of the future. >> about a four minute ride up, three minutes coming down. tomorrow, the journey across america continues in washington, d.c. with my interview with the top military officer at a critical time, and in depth look at the city of washington you don't usually see. our nation's capital beyond the beltway. that's "nightly news" this tuesday. thank you for watching, everyone i am lester holt please take care of yourself and each other and so long from st. louis. ♪ i see trees of green ♪ ♪ red roses too ♪ ♪ i see them bloom for me and you ♪ (music) ♪ so i think to myself ♪

that's why they're so interested in taking down statues of abraham lincoln, thomas jefferson, georgeashington's name off schools. this is a radical project. and let's just be clear. the woke are anti-semitic. they are anti-israel. we know that. [applause] so i think when you face that type of -- those types of threats, yeah, you got to stand for the right stuff. you got to know kind of what time it is. but you got to have the strength and fortitude to get through these fights. and i think about the book of joshua where the lord asked, have i not commanded you? be strong and courageous. do not be frightened and do not be dismayed for the lord your god is with you wherever you may go. this is the time that we have to understand and in times like these, there's no substitute for courage. you got to have the courage to be able to stand and fight against very hostile political forces. you have to have the courage to stand against things like cancel culture. you have to have the courage to fight back against a very corrupt and dishonest corporate media. and you have to have the courage to

in reclamation, thomas jefferson's monticello recalls efforts to have sally hemmings recognized as a descendent of the family and reflects on her own connection to hemmings and jefferson. that is a look at this week's publishing news and the latest nonfiction books. thanks for joining us on about books available as a podcast on c-span now or wherever you get yourn plans for the new african-american museum being built in charleston, carolina. >> ladies and gentlemen, world-class walter - professor of landscape architecture in the school of california. [inaudible]. and a distinction and has pursued is designed