it was, was my colleague, thomas keenan and we wrote a book called mingle, it's called the birth of forensic aesthetics. what's the relationship forensics and the statics for us if was the reading of the process by which the attempt to identify whether that skeleton that was found under wrong. the mark ray in brazil was that auth notorious. not see war criminal murder. dr. file schmidt's joseph main color, found this call, they didn't have dna yet, and they started reading the scuffle traces. in fact, what was interesting is that we discovered that for forensic contra apologise, they were reading bones like they were photographed, exposed to life, like in negative is exposed to light. right? so nutrition and wounds and everything else with kind of be inscribed and the scarlet itself has emerge as a come for the surface of inscription. and it kind of showed, with looking at the entire process, it made me understand that the forensic process as happens in court is actually to rhetorical process, mature tauriel nations. you need to show an object to an audience you need to make claim to that ob