we have the conspiracy to murder thomas king proven. the murder of thomas king, it looks like that one i don't have yet. but the murder of francis leonard, not proven. so again, a very lengthy trial. a lot for them to look at when you're looking at in the racketeering charge. there were multiple counts under that. so that's all still being read now in the courtroom. so the significant part of it is on those two counts, the racketeering counts. it looks like he was found guilty. they really only needed to prove two of those acts committed within ten years of each other in order to get that guilty. so there were multiple murders that were proven there. so we're continuing to get things in here. it looks like more guiltys found as well as we go through this. so it looks like the reputed mob boss whitey bulger will be going to prison for the rest of his life, thomas. >> kristen, we're going to let you regroup and go back to your phone and check off what's proven and not proven. we have michael smerconish here, syndicated radio show host. yo

also another murder charge of thomas king. so what is obviously interesting is that this jury worked very hard. they found him guilty of some of the 19 murders, playing a role in some of the 19 murders, but not all of them. again, as we mentioned, brooke, they did not have to find him unanimously guilty of all of those counts to find him guilty as to count 2. so he still has this significant exposure of prison time of up to life in prison. >> so in terms of the tick tock, what's happening right now in the courtroom, as i was mentioning, deborah feyerick is in there. we'll hear from deborah. she can give us the play by play as all this is going down as we're talking about it. let me just tell you just according to her tweets, she says she was -- she was tweeting about the judge reading the verdict. james bulger looks at the judge. the verdict is in order. it may be recorded. victim families, this is deb tweeting, victim families have arms around each other. some have heads bowed. they have been waiting 30 to 40 years for justic

murder of edward conners and also conspiracy to murder thomas king. conners was a tavern owner.ecutors believe that bulger has information they were concerned would be shared with authority. that's one of the reasons that prosecutors throughout the course of this trial alleged people were killed because they were planning to inform on james whitey bulger or other members of his criminal gang. as we go forward towards further racketeering act, these are also more murders that bulger is alleged to have participated in. number 11. not proven. that is the murder of francis buddy leonard. racketeering act number 12. that is murder of richard castocci. he was nightclub owner in his late whos and once again, they were concerned allegedly prosecutors say, that the fbi would be tipped off because this individual had information. racketeering acts, number 13, also proved. that murder of roger wheeler. now this is a case that got a particular amount of attention over the course of prosecutors as they work to bring this case against whitey bulger. he was a tulsa millionaire and was killed i

joining us now to assess the king legacy is dr. thomasn, a king biographer and associate professor at the university of north carolina. more black men are in jail now than when dr. king was alive, the unemployment rate in the minority community is much higher than the white community. with that as a backdrop, what do you think dr. king would say about his dream? >> well, it's always a mixed bag. you are hearing that from black leaders now. i think he would focus on the unfulfilled promises, the challenge of poverty, the discretion between the have and have notes which has worsened at the same time it has become a more inclusive society, open to people of color and women so that we could have a black president. it's always a mixed bag. we need to credit the achievements of that generation, activism works, but we need to keep the eyes on the prize of what's going to complete the mission and the dream is attention to these economic disparities. >> are you convinced that the civil rights leaders of today are tackling the tough issues that dr.

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king's dream. i think in its historical context, you know, thomas, i think you know this, that i interviewed dr. bernice king a couple of days ago and she said one of the things she thinks is important to tell the next generation of civil rights leader is that the struggle never ends. her mother used to say freedom is won and lost in every generation. you have to keep winning it over and over again. i think that's a wonderful way of looking at it. it might be a slightly pessimistic but i think she is talking about the reality of the human existence. so the fight for full civil rights and equality will continue. >> you think we have fallen short in carrying that message to the next generation? >> well, the historical memory is a complicated thing. we look at how this nation remembers king in that speech, i have a dream. it's king, the dreamer. so it's very easy to look at that glorious celebration of american life and look at where we've come and say, the dream has been fulfilled. we live in a post-racial society and, therefore, commemorating the dream becomes a way of marking off the time of unfr

thomas. we have steve king and my home state of texas, rick perry throwing his hat in again, and ted cruz.ruz has been spending a lot of time it iowa. he was there last month for a gop state dinner and going there again this month and in the fall. you said earlier that the 2016 is shaping up to be a 2.0 of 2012. absolutely that. i think the key here is going to be these extreme elements of king and cruz are going to be pulling the republican center of gravity to the extreme. i see them as pace cars where they are going to pull all of the crew over to the extreme but then when the general election comes, they get out and regularitiably doom the republicans. >> the rnc did their post autopsy results in the spring. they learned lessons from certain candidates certainly more extreme one would be michele bachmann. it seems like the same old song and dance from a lot of people that don't have the best shot at getting to the white house and have a chance at hurting other republicans from doing the same. >> yeah, you got michael steele to admit in last segment that they really want to limit the nu

king? >> you know, thomas, not that i'm aware of.solated here in dear born heights and doing our small little thing outside of detroit. i understand that the cost of living is much higher in new york. we just figured it is the right thing to do. let's be honest. the top 20 fast food restaurants in -- grosd, brought in $117 billion last year. there's got to be room for a few dollars here and there for the employees. i just don't see that that's impossible. >> you would think. they need someone like you. thank you, sir. congratulations on the success that you are seeing there. wish you nothing but the best. that's going to wrap things up for me. i'll see you back here tomorrow at 11:00 a.m. eastern. "now" with alex wagner is next. >> thomas, i just want to hear you say moo cluck moo. >> moo cluck moo. >> again. there you go. >> i just tweeted this at you. but as if i need another reason to like a place named moo cluck moo. >> pretty awesome. >> good story. >>> we are following the latest developments on the health of former president g

king's speech. you have clarence thomas sitting on the supreme court, you have allen west being an outspoken person for things like traditional values, talking about the 70% out of wedlock birth rate in the african-american community. we have come a long way, there are things we need to work on. every sector of life than there were back in the 1950s. >> the 50th anniversary is this coming wednesday, and the president is going to speak at the exact location where dr. king gave the speech. do you think the expectations now will be running very high because it's the first black president? >> probably. i think the bigger challenge is the ideology of the movement. the civil rights movement is totally leftist. we need more soul and left sharpton. the most destructive element in society is the breakdown of the family, that should not be a political issue, it should be a human issue. >> let's talk about that, i think it would have been helpful to have soul and a couple others talking about the breakdown of the family. what do you think. >> i think it would be helpful, i think what would be most helpful, th

thomas. >> another big story tonight work to remove a controversial inscription from the martin luther kingemorial is just about finished. the national park has been trying to move it -- remove it before august 28th. >> it was a disputed inscription taken out of context when it was pair frafd and shortened and it made dr. king sound arrogant a man who was anything but -- para frafd. >> the job isn't done. >> now the inscription is gone removed at an cost of $700,000. but the memorial still stands in all it's glory on a four acre site on the national mall. >> i think that the true intent of dr. king's words should be highlighted on the monument for everybody to see. >> the work didn't come without a few bumps in the road. the orange nall contractor working on the changes didn't have the required insurance -- so the national park service brought in its historic preservation shin center members to find out thou complete the task that was specified by the sculptor. today on fox 5 news at 5:00 we heard from the national park service. there are striations, lines, grooves in the memorial and they'

martin luther king was talking about the idea of the declaration of independence. i look at him as carrying on a conversation with thomasjefferson. you can see the memorials, and that was purposeful. the idea was saying each are trying to decide what is going to be the fate of american democracy. is it going to live up to that ideal of equality? at the time thomas jefferson had slaves. it has been the function of african-american orators to ofnt out the hypocrisy having an idea and not living up to it. >> i am a regular reader of , and even then they sometimes do things that are off the mark. my heart leapt for joy when i saw the cover. the words they use on the cover -- founding father. believe it makes a difference. then time magazine puts you on the cover and says founding father. all americans will recognize the importance of understanding that movement was not simply a movement that affected african- americans. i think that limits him to say he was a black civil rights leader. what he was concerned about was bringing about that ideal for everyone. all lives in america have been changed. >> how subversive would king

so one of the things, thomas, that i stress today is that if we really want to fulfill the dream, barack obama is not the new dr. king. he's the new john kennedy. he is the new lyndon johnson, which is why it's so egregious that they try to take away from the legitimacy of his presidency because drrks king and others thought he could be possible but not as him. people in civil rights are behaving as they are behaving. he is in another realm and he is even being profiled in that realm which is why we have to continue to fight. >> i know a lot of as you point out want to make these parallels to mlk and the president. this is the president of the united states, though. while he does personify, really embody the dream it goes well beyond what mlk tried to lay out 50 years ago in that "i have a dream" speech. what do you think the president wants to do today? because, obviously, he feels the onus, the weight of what it means to be in the position that he is in, to stand in the shadows there of the lincoln memorial and in the shadows of mlk, and really speak to this nation, to try to talk about the racial divide that still

thomas the spitting image of martin luther king. they invited me to come down. wayal estate lady paid my or gave him money so i can have money when i got there. i had two little girls at the time. that motivated me. if i did not go and if i survived, if someone were to ask me what was my contribution, what was i going to be able to tell my children? me toeally motivated help. it was a great experience. i was 23 years old at the time. i am 77 now. host: thank you for your call. this comes from gene with reference to the clip we showed about charlton heston. there will be a medal of freedom honoring. there is a piece about his role. president obama will honor him. he was the organizer behind the civil rights march. he was also a pacifist and a gay man. piece talks about how he was the key individual. at story is available online "the wall street journal" website. caller: how are you doing? i think the civil rights movement has come a long way. i believe that we have come so far to the point where now we have black leaders out there like obama. he is our president

thomas had killed his sister. i would rather i asked questions to people in positions of power instead of speaking on their behalf and that's why you can find wide go larry king now right here on our t.v. question more. the fishing needs to review these economic ups and downs in the find out all of the months they belong to the new york sang i and the rest of the life it's going be taking will be every week on alternate means your job with. me is unique to you because. if. you come. to me. the first thing that went wrong is that as soon as the police got to the house they decided thomas had committed this crime that was their first error and then everything they did. compounded the error. thomas was twelve years old at the time today he is nineteen. and the police pressure he confessed to everything and was sent to prison. the supreme court would overturn the sentence two years later after the details of his interrogation were revealed. the video recording of the interview was appalling. the pictures caused the worst police scandal in the history of the state of arkansas. it cost. us our life. i mean kyra listen to some of some of the stories. and i'm going t

in the continental congress, both thomas jefferson and john dickinson crafted a resolution called the -- what do you call it? it was a resolution appealing to the king on this principle. you let us tax ourselves and our legislatures and legislate for ourselves in our respective legislatures, and we remain in the empire recognizing the authority of the king and recognizing our membership in the british empire economically, because we are both beneficiaries of that. as they said, both sides, there's people on both sides argue r for this. up through the middle of the spring of 1776. this is the answer that the british will later regret they don't accept or act on. this will be the biggest bluppedder until history of british state craft. why don't they want to do it? why don't they see this is the way? three reasons. first of all, william blackstone, the great jurist ruled in 1775, or asserted, that there must be a single source of sovereignty in the empire. and in any government. there cannot be many god, must be only one gods. the source of the british empire, the british government is the king in parliament. the american solution is unacceptable beca

king charles the first had his head chopped off in 1649. the barbarians were still at it. it looked like maybe constant and thomas middleton were going to be out of luck. they thought, well, let's by this 8,000-acre island the does not cost much. it's only a quarter of a teaspoonful of sugar per acre. as opposed to land on barbados at the same time, which was, i think, cap and a half if i have the right figure in my book. so the first africans to arrive here came as the property of sylvester is part of proportion or gallery. so they were turned her property. is the supple? okay. that was a connection which only lasted -- i'll wrap up here then. it only lasted until the next generation. so from 1646 and 1651 when they bought it until 1680 when nathaniel died. there were a few other purchases of sugar, rum, and africans after that, but it was not a continuous trade. he drank a lot of mount gay rum, and i drink it with her. [laughter] if there are no more questions. okay. zero. sorry. yes. >> during your research, did you find the emphasis of the master across the reading with the slaves? >> i did not. i looked for

thomas was not invited. republicans had a session this monday at which they had people talking, including bob brown, an aide to dr. kinging about republicans and the civil rights movement, somehow republicans had been exclude from today's celebrations. >> there's some reporting that there were invites, and that some of them did not show up. we'll try to get to the bottom of that. >> i think the real tragedy is that the prestigious an prestigf the original civil rights movement, many of the martyrs like dr. king, has left people living in that age, imagining that's where the struggle ought to be today. in those days the struggle was terrible laws, a legal system of segregation and discrimination. that was abolished in generation. that fight is over. the idea that it's now the voter id law, i heard one speaker say in the past the problem was the men in sheets who did all of this, wearing hoods on their heads, and now it's people in black robes who strike down the voting rights act. if you're going to equate the supreme court with the klan, you're really living 50 years ago. today the challenge is the social issues. it is

thomas. you've got to talk about family breakdown, the fact 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock. i think dr. kinguld cry. you've got to talk about there is a horrific dropout rate in the country, failure of urban schools. that's the civil rights challenge of this generation. and the culture. i was just listening to your interview with governor fallon. think about the culture. jay-z and his latest album. he's using the "n" word repeatedly. it's pornographic. it's invited for people to think authentic blackness you've got to be hip hop and hard. this is the tragedy of our day. >> david, where are we 50 years after "i have a dream?" >> not only 50 years after "i have a dream," chris but 270 years after the founding of this country. we reversed course on what was a worldwide tragedy. racism exists and we can't pretend it doesn't exists but can't pretend it exists everywhere. all the things juan talks about are true. we advanced to 2013. we need to tackle the new challenges. it's moral decay in this country. when it happens in the black community, it's not just the black community, it's the american c

thomas. in fact, if you look at the "ebony" magazine piece and if you look at reverend sharpton and martin luther king iii talking about saturday trayvon is a major focus of the march. it's not just a symbolic march. it's a call for action. we think that a lot of young people, black and white alike are rallying around this cause. they want to vote and didn't get to vote in the criminal proceeding dealing with his shooting death. this is their opportunity to vote for trach and make sure they register to vote and vote in the november midterm elections. trayvon was 17 years old. he would have been able to vote had he not been killed when he turned 18. so the real question is for all of those young people, will you vote? trayvon didn't get a chance. >> martin family attorney benjamin crump, thanks for making time for me and getting in so quickly. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. thank you. >>> our big question today is for you. do you think the psa goes too far? share your thoughts on facebook or twitter. we will have those later in the show. >>> what is going with san diego mayor bob filner? he still is

thomas. congressman, i'm going to start with you. these guys are going to tell us how they're going to fix everything in just a minute here. dr. king talked about the fierce urgency of now. and as we know, some at the time thought it was too fast, some not fast enough. as we look that's what's happening now in voting rights, women's rights, the way it feels like we're sliding back, how do we create that momentum that lee saunders was talking about, that dr. king was talking about, to make sure we keep moving forward. >> first of all, we have to do the things that we did today. that is bringing this information to the public. this assault on voting rights, and i don't care how you look at it, that's exactly what it is. if that is not a wake-up call to cause people to get out there to do things, i don't know what is. if you think about what dr. king talked about 50 years ago, he talked about economics, he talked about voting. but if you don't have the vote and the way -- and the way this thing has been done with these various legislatures and these governors, with more or less an in your face, we're going to take your vote, i mean, i

thomas. you've got to talk about family breakdown, the fact 70% of blacks are born out of wedlock. i think dr. kinguld cry. you've got to talk about there is a horrific dropout rate in the country, failure of urban schools. that's the civil rights challenge of this generation. and the culture. i was just listening to your interview with governor fallon. think about the culture. jay-z and his latest album. he's using the "n" word repeatedly. it's pornographic. it's invited for people to think authentic blackness you've got to be hip hop and hard. this is the tragedy of our day. >> david, where are we 50 years after "i have a dream?" >> not only 50 years after "i have a dream," chris but 270 years after the founding of this country. we reversed course on what was a worldwide tragedy. racism exists and we can't pretend it doesn't exists but can't pretend it exists everywhere. all the things juan talks about are true. we advanced to 2013. we need to tackle the new challenges. it's moral decay in this country. when it happens in the black community, it's not just the black community, it's the american c

>> thomas, as we all know, the president has been very carefully parsed in his opportunities that he takes. when it's time to address sort of the civil rights legacy and martin luther kingy he hasn't shied from that. i think he'll jump in as he usually does and plunges into that part of it. the broader race discussion is something he has avoided most of his time in office. more recently he has shown a willingness to what in and saw that it the george zimmerman verdict with the trayvon marpt shootin martin shooting. i think on wednesday they will be looking for the president to weigh in more clearly on issues of race. i think no matter what, though, this speech of his is going to be girted under voting rights. protected under voting rights. i think he'll lay out a clear call that his doj is going to make these cases against voting rights the centerpiece of this administration's view on race and their position on race when you talk about legacy. >> ryan, do you agree with that? because a lot of people look at the fact the president has been conscious of what he steps in when it comes to discussions about race, but taking into account that he is not up for re-election and

thomas jefferson, i think, who coined the phrase that the price of that liberty will be eternal vigilance. so frim through our history, whether at the gettys burg address, that lincoln delivered or dr. king's speech 50 years ago on the mall, we are called back to remember and recommit ourselves to those ideals, and to close the gap between our reality and our ideals. >> he was also talking about race today. in that spirit, i want to play you something the former secretary of state colin powell said this week about what he would like to hear from the president. >> i would like to see him be more passionate about race questions. we're not there yet. we've got to keep working on it. so for the president to speak out on it is appropriate i want do you think it's different for president obama to speak about race? is it challenging for him as the first african-american presidents. you're friends. is this something you spoke to him about this. >> i think the president understands, as most do, we are in this -- poised between acknowledging the extraordinary progress we have made, much of it in my lifetime and the president's lifetime, and also the progress that remains to be made. the march in 196

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king, a. philip randolph, congressman lewis, mr. thomas, to make sure that those continue to move forward. that's a we need to do and we can do that only when we work together to we have to stop saying, i don't have time. you know this 40 meeting the last four hours and your fighting over baked chicken or fried chicken? [laughter] it has to be something more positive. so together we can make a differencdifferenc e and that's what we're going to pledge. >> i just want to take just a moment to underscore the statement of the two presidents. if you just look back, in 1963, a. philip randolph probably was the only blank, or only leader that was so principled that could hold the group together. in many of those, he was so, i've said in the past and i said to someone earlier today, if a. philip randolph had been born on another continent, maybe in another country, maybe even of another color, maybe he would have been prime minister, maybe king, president or something. was such a principled man, and to hear wilson, whitney young, dr. king, and john lewis, the so-called militant radical, in the sa

for those incredible bloodlines of thomas jefferson and george washington and john smith, and all these great americans, martin luther kingthese great americans who built this country, you came from them. and the unique thing about being from that part of the world when he learned about breeding, you learn that you cannot breed secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the kentucky derby. you guys have incredible dna, and don't forget it. now, who was in that crowd? senator jeff sessions who leads the opposition, who led the opposition to the immigration bill in the senate. congressman steve king who is taken up his mantle and has talked about ideas like putting up electronic fences in the border because that's what we do with cattle. and senator ted cruz. so that is what we are really getting with at the end of the day when we're talking about race and immigration and justi justice. >> yeah, everyone i talked to, at least to advocates for immigration reform are optimistic, despite all the. they're optimistic because of the energy of the dreamers to their optimistic because people are coming together even across race and

for those incredible bloodlines of thomas jefferson and george washington and john smith and all these great americans martin luther kingthese great americans who built the country you came from them and the unique thing about being from that part of the world when you learn about it you cannot read secretariat to a donkey and expect to win the kentucky derby. you guys have incredible dna. who was in that crowd? senator jeff sessions who leads leads -- who led the opposition for the emmett ration bill in the senate. congressman steve king who is taking up his mental and is talked about ideas like putting up electronic fences on the border because after all that is what we do with cattle and senator ted cruz. so that is what we are really dealing with at the end of the day when we are talking about race and immigration injustice. >> everyone i have talked to at least to advocate for immigration reform are optimistic despite all that. they are optimistic because of the energy of the dreamers. they are optimistic as people are coming together across race to support immigration reform. they are developing language to promot