all of these questions could be answered by thomas martinez. without all these things they had done and were doing, and it was martinez who basically introduced us to the book "the turner diaries." it's an account of a group of people just like we're talking about that manage to overthrow the united states government. >> september 16, 1991. today it finally begins. after all these years of talking and nothing but talking, we have finally taken our first action. we're at war with the system, and it's no longer a war of words. >> they're not talking about overthrowing the government, they're overthrowing it. >> and bob matthews took this book at his bible, and he followed it. so in "the turner diaries," armor car robberies, executions. and that's what the order did. so martinez was a wealth of information. you might say we had a lot of little pieces and he was able to move them around for us and show us where they fit. once we had the agreement made with tom martinez that he would help us, we knew we had to be patient. like the hunter, we had to