let me welcome back thomas massie. joining me now. getting sassy with massie. welcome back, congressman. i want to read you one of your tweets from today. you wrote, president at real donald trump visits this a.m. is the more charge than media would like you to believe. but i'm still no. he's worried about our elections in 2018. i'm worried about his election on 2020 if he puts his name on this and this becomes trumpcare instead of ryancare. it replaces subjects does, mandates and penalties with subsidies, mandates and penalties. the fda says lite beer has 67% of the calories of a real beer. and this bill has 67% of the subsidies of obamacare. kennedy: what is the most troubling aspect of the legislation. there is something the speaker can do to amended that trouble to bring you on board? >> the amendments they offered don't change much. the most troubling thing this bill are the subjects does. they are called advanced refundable tax credits. gnats money ghosts of straight to the insurance companies. it's welfare. instead of a refundable tax credit, i'm waiting

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host: when you hear what rand paul has to say about this bill and what congressman thomas massie of kentucky -- was the main conservative argument against a hca? >> that it is open to care light. host: what does that mean? guest: in the sense that you still have subsidies. tax credits. there are conservatives that don't like that idea and they think it is too much money, too generous and they don't like the essential health benefits and categories of coverage that are required in the bill. they don't think they want that and they just don't like any kind of prescription, if you will, of what has to be covered in the health care bill. they want market forces to find that. those are the key. host: jonathan can be written, oregon. a democrat. caller: my name is john and i have 31 years experience in i.t. and 20 years experience in health care. i was working for a large health downsystem at hospitals through california. i work for a federally qualified health center. one of the things, in terms of medicaid, from what i understand, is i took a form yesterday that had a number of ceos from hospita

republican congressman thomas massie of kentucky is joining us now. congressman. >> thanks for having me on, poppy. >> look, you were going to vote no on this. you're not exactly in the best place with the president on the health care bill right now. let me just read your response to the president tweeting and taking on the house freedom caucus. you wrote, " @realdonaldtrump, it's a swamp, not a hot tub. we both came here to drain it. swampcare folpolls are 17%. bad"! here's the thing, this is someone saying to the dems, i'll work with you over some fellow republicans. are you worried about your party getting too fractured that you're not going to be able to get anything done? >> well, look, we were excited when donald trump said he was going to come and help us drain the swamp, but he's listening to people in the swamp on this health care bill. and if you also notice in that same tweet where he lashed out at the house freedom caucus, he lashed out at every democrat. and the math just doesn't work if he wants to get to 218. he's either going to have t

representative thomas massie vote last night going from no to no. >> i don't know where this thing is lyt lands in the ocean, and this thing >> reporter: the numbers are fluid, butt dozen republicansluh to kill the legii leave more people without coverage. a agree onote if it ha the wire. it is ther obamacare, as i called. weighing in today saying this is a measure that's helped he supporting that it stays in pla have urged new leadership today to pull the bill, rewrite it, for a vote at a later plan b. they expect it to the senate. >>> this morninghilalphia are w how the gop affect residents. is live in center city.e affordable care act, you'reticuts to medicaid. it's what the discuss today. if repealed, 1 in 6 adults in the to lose coverage. from mental h care, those benefitpr. they'll all lose out on coverage. health care proio coverage costs will go up and so will wait >> as a doctor, i can say this. care. this bill cruelty. it hurts the people who our care the most. it's wrong for d it's wrong for the and propone the bill sayt competition. it would eliminate penalties fo. they al

kennedy: thomas massie made the best pointed to cut the department of education parents will send -- still syndicates a skull and also if you make cuts to the epa people will want a clean environment. you believe that or do you think government is the only thing keeping us from being destroyed by our own causes? >> at think of these cuts are implemented i don't think the world will be dead. i'm pretty sure we would go on but again the key point here is th is a lot noise. u have a lot of republicans who say let's cut the foreign aid budget and democrats say let's raise taxes. neither of these things solve the long-term fiscal picture. the entitlement reform, a small part of the budget that is not determinative whether we fix our fiscal picture. entitlements entitlements entitlements and donald trump does not want to touch entitlements. kennedy: i think democrats and republicans breathed a sigh of relief every time a president says that. basically we are never going to have a meaningful budget that actually takes us out of financial crisis. >> we really aren't especially as you mention

thomas massy said he was changing his vote from no to hell no. >> i'm not going anywhere. this will not pass. >> reporter: joe biden seemed to revel in the drama. don't rule out a last-minute deal orchestrated by the president who knows that more than health care may be at stake. what he is saying to republican members, moderates and conservatives, get on board on this and we can do so much other bigger things, tax reform, tax cuts, infrastructure, immigration. let's get past this. let's get it behind us. if we don't, it is going to sink us. so the white house has a lot at stake in this. the president personally has put a lot of weight behind this. in about an hour and a half he will meet with the house freedom caucus, a group of the conservative house republicans. he may try to offer them some inducements to get them on board. the challenge is doing that and not turning off more house moderate republican who's are concerned about some of the things that the conservatives want. this is a real balancing act for the president and republican leaders here in congress. >> thank

thomas massie of kentucky "sorry to let you down, i'm changing my vote from no to hell no."ere are enough votes publicly stated to sink the bill but public whip counts in these situations are notoriously unreliable and there's also reporting the gop leadership is going to bring the bill to the floor even if they are seven votes short so they're planning to go through with this without knowing if they have the votes. the tremendous risks and consequences for a president already playing defense next. >> i want to get to taxes, i want to cut the hell out of taxes but, but -- i had no choice. this is the silverado special edition. this is one gorgeous truck. oh, did i say there's only one special edition? because, actually there's five. ooohh!! aaaahh!! uh! hooooly mackerel. wow. nice. strength and style. it's truck month. get 0% financing for 60 months plus find your tag and get $5500 on select chevy silverado pick-ups when you finance with gm financial. find new roads at your local chevy dealer. >> i want to get to taxes, i want to cut the hell out of taxes but, but -- i had n

kentucky representative thomas massy did change his vote overnight going from no to hell no. including members of the conservative freedom caucus standing firm against the measure. >> i don't know where this thing is going to land. hopefully it lands in the ocean and this thing just sinks. >> reporter: the numbers are fluid but right now two dozen republicans are in the no or leaning in the no columns, enough to kill the legislation. to flip those votes gop leaders are considering changes that will allow insurers to sell scaled back plans with less coverage, giving consumers more choice, but critics argue that would leave more people without coverage. one thing all sides seem to agree on here, the vote, if it happens, will go down to the wire. and that vote, no coincidence, it was scheduled for today, seven days to the year after president obama signed the affordable care act. today he issued a written statement touting the benefits of that plan and saying that more than 20 million americans now have insurance who otherwise would not. look, some republicans are urging their l

thomas massie of kentucky "sorry to l you down, i'm changing my vote from no to hell no."ublicly stated to sink the bill but public whip counts in these situations are notoriously unreliable and there's also reporting the gop leadership is going to bring the bill to the floor even if they are seven votes short so they're planning to go through with this without knowing if they have the votes. the tremendous risks and consequences for a president already playing defense next. distracting you? doctors recommend taking non-drowsy claritin every day of your allergy season for continuous relief. with claritin, you get powerful, non-drowsy relief, 24-hours a day. day after day. and with fewer symptoms to distract you, you can focus on the extraordinary things you do every single day. live claritin clear. every day. [kids cheering] [kids screaming] call the clown! parents aren't perfect but then they make us kraft mac & cheese and everything's good again. >> i want to get to taxes, i want to cut the hell out of taxes but, but -- i had no choice. i had to go with health care first

joining us right now republican congressman thomas massy of kentucky who is against the bill. congressman, thanks very much for joining us. >> thank you for having me on, wolf. >> thank you. are there changes you're seeking that potentially could result in a yea vote from your perspective, but maybe that could doom the overall health care bill? because moderates won't like it? >> well, the biggest change we want should be acceptable to everyone, which is to make affordable health insurance legal again. and specifically what i'm talking about is the essential health benefits and dealing with preexisting conditions. not forcing healthy people to say pay the same price for health insurance as unhealthy people. those are the changes that we're hoping to make. so we can get back to health insurance that people can afford without subsidies. >> how do you expect your more moderate republican colleagues in the house, some of those who are in danger in districts in pennsylvania or new york or new jersey, how do you expect some of them to vote for the bill that strips what they would re

. >>> "out front" now, republican congressman from kentucky thomas massi.hanks for the time. >> thanks for having me on. >> you have been a no vote on the bill. no surprise. according to twitter today you've changed your vote as of this afternoon. >> yes. >> from no to, hell no. please explain. >> well, i thought i would double down. there's a lot of speculation as to whether members are changing their votes right now and i just wanted to let people know that i was steadfastly in the no category. frankly, i think that's indicative of a lot of my colleagues. i've counted 30 conservatives who are voting no on this, and they really aren't changing their position and haven't changed their position in the last 24 hours. >> that's very interesting because you hear a very different message from the white house and from republican leaders right now. the white house saying that the momentum's all in their favor, house speaker paul ryan saying they're adding votes, not losing votes today, and a spokesman for mark meadow who is you know well, the chair of the freedom

joining us now is congressman thomas massie, republican from kentucky and an ally of the freedom caucusrnight, one 24 hours ago directly attacking the conservatives in the republican party, the freedom caucus. has that attack made you change your mind in any way, shape or form and move more towards president trump? >> you know what, stuart? this is the most unpopular piece of legislation i have ever heard from my constituents about. 11 to 1, the calls are running for me to vote against this bill. so people -- you know, the freedom caucus is just representing the will of their constituents i believe, and myself as well. stuart: okay. what about me? i want movement. i think that obamacare lite, as you call it, this bill -- >> yes. stuart: -- is much better than the obamacare full on which we now have. furthermore, you have stopped dead in its tracks the trump legislative agenda. you've derailed it on day one. i don't think that's worth it, sir, i really don't. >> i -- we think we're saving him. look, this -- obamacare lite is worse than obamacare. our objection is logical, it's not ideolo

sad. >> thomas massie, are you scared?ause steve bannon says that the jet fuel of air force one is going to come to your district and be clarifying to both you and the teaming masses below air force one? >> are you shaking in your shoes? >> how scared are you? >> are you all right? >> you know what, he can bring air force one, marine one and amtrak one. it's not going to change what i'm going to do. my constituents sent me here -- they sent me to d.c., frankly, to drain the swamp. we were excited. conservatives were excited when we heard donald trump was coming to help us drain the swamp. but now he is taking advice from the swamp creatures. >> yep. >> now you talk about this bill. only a 17% approval rating for this bill. you're back in your district. are people coming up to you, weeping in the street saying, why didn't you support the 17% solution? like are you catching grief for not supporting this bill? >> no. it has a 9% approval rating in my district. so, you know, maybe one in 11 suort this bill. and it's only becau