in the house, thomas massy in kentucky is one of them. >> we have spent more in ukraine, u.s. congress than we have spent more on roads and bridges in the entire country. we don't spend as much on that as we have in ukraine in nine months. i think that is despicable. priorities out of whack. we are trying to get the documents to find out where the money went. we need a full audit. >> tucker: this is a crime against our country.

as thomas massie pointed out, elon musk brought a crime scene. now that we know and the public knows, the question is, what in the hell are we going to do about it? well, this select committee answers that question. with oversight and leadership by our most effective member, my friend and colleague, the future chairman of the house judiciary committee, congressman jim jordan. we as republicans are a big and diverse conference. the real question goes back to strategy. can we accept incremental progress? can we work for a victory, one first down at a time? or can we only accept the high-risk trick plays? can we set about the hard work of winning debates with our colleagues as we have done through this process? can we take a win every now and then and give hope to the forgotten men and women of america who no longer believe this place, this people's house cares about them? having achieved nearly every concession that we've asked for, including a motion to vacate the chair with one privileged resolution, does it really boil down to this the 20 or mor

thomas massie of kentucky, thank you.gress is continuing to send billions a month to ukraine, that war is more important than any other war. there is a new war that really will affect americans and it's in mexico. the mexican defense force, the mets and army now battling the sinaloa cartel in response to the arrest of the son of el chapo. the mexican defense forces appear to be losing, watch. [the gunfire] [gunfire] [gunfire] we should have identified in the clip you saw people cowering in the commercial airliner that plane was being shot at by a 50 cal from the drug cartels. biden is visiting the border this weekend he is no plan to deal with any of this but it will affect us. doug mcgregor has been following this for months now, he joins us tonight. thanks so much for coming on this -- if a war breaks out in a country there would be coverage of it, there hasn't been -- why? >> we are lucky to get this glimpse the media doesn't bother to cover it. we need to understand what this war is about to. in 2020, we arrested -- t

with republican thomas massie of kentucky casting the only no vote. this follows a first round of sanctions on iran from the treasury department announced on monday. congressman george santos of new york also talked about the protests in iran for his first floor speech in congress. the republican lawmaker who was facing allegations of fabricating his past and resume urged the biden administration to do more to support the protesters. quest without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> madame speaker, today i rise in support of the bravery

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congressman thomas ma massie thank you. kennedy: how he knows how i feel. >> to south carolina a crazy murder trial just got en underway, alex murdoch one of most prominent lawyers, accused of brutally murdering his wife and younger son. shooting them to death on his property. cops say blood and brains were all over the crime scene, prosecutors allege murdoch killed his wife and son to distraction from a long list of financial crimes that is dark. the defendant is blaming a boating accident. >> this is a long story, my son was in a boat wreck a few months back, we have been getting threats. most benign, he has been getting punched. that is -- i know that what it is. kennedy: do you know or that just a strange distrktion from your guilt? he faces 30 years to life if convicted. is evidence stacked against him, joining to discuss former u.s. attorney for western district of virginia john fish is back, who struck you most about some of the opening moments we've seen in the high profile case. >> the prosecution is building a str

as thomas massie pointed out, elon musk bought a crime scene. know in the public knows the question is what in the hell are we going to do about it? this answers that with oversight by our most effective member my friend and colleague, congressman jim jordan. we are a big and diverse conference. it goes back to strategy. can we accept incremental progress, can we work for a victory, one first down at a time? or can we only accept a high-risk trick play? can we set about the hard work about winning debates with our colleagues, as we have done through this process. can we take a win every now and then and give hope to the forgotten men and women of america who no longer believe this place, this people's house cares about them. or having achieved nearly every concession we asked for including a motion to vacate the chair with one privilege resolution, does it really boil down to in that 20 or more of my colleagues will never trust kevin mccarthy as speaker? i feel at this time we risk a worse outcome if we cannot unite behind the man that has helpe

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in the house, thomas massy in kentucky is one of them. >> we have spent more in ukraine, u.s. congress than we have spent more on roads and bridges in the entire country. we don't spend as much on that as we have in ukraine in nine months. i think that is despicable. priorities out of whack. we are trying to get the documents to find out where the money went. we need a full audit. >> tucker: this is a crime against our country. a few descended. jd vance just started representing state of ohio. leading the charge, senator thank you so much for joining us. you just got to the senate. you have been there a week. all the sudden ukraine funding up. what is your response? well, tucker, i would just like transparency. over the past 20 years, bipartisan foreign policy in washington, d.c. wrong about iraq, syria, and lebanon in a potential war they are basically saying trust us. my response is absolutely not. i don't trust you, your motives, your judgment. i would like to see how this money is being spent. by law, biden administration is supposed to tell us how that money is being spen

one more from thomas massie e republican of kentucky, saying we look weaker if burned-out shells of these iconic american takes begin to litter ukrainian fields and they're not coming back so that's 31 fewer tanks to defend the united states. some of the reaction on twitter yesterday among republicans. is one more from republican tom cotton, senator from arkansas on fox news yesterday. this is what he t had to say. >> it's a welcome decision president biden and germany have decided fun to provide these tanks to ukraine but it's long overdue. a continues a pattern since before the war started of president biden being scared of his own shadow come with the declining the military support that the ukrainian army needs first to deter the war from starting in the firstee place ad in second to defend ukrainian territory and to fight back against brushes unprovoked war. it's an admission of their own mistakes not providing these tanks months ago, as you've seen time and time again for the last year when the administration explained some kind of weapon system or intelligence would be dangerously e

as thomas massie pointed out, elon musk brought a crime scene. now that we know and the public knows, the question is, what in the hell are we going to do about it? well, this select committee answers that question. with oversight and leadership by our most effective member, my friend and colleague, the future chairman of the house judiciary committee, congressman jim jordan. we as republicans are a big and diverse conference. the real question goes back to strategy. can we accept incremental progress? can we work for a victory, one first down at a time? or can we only accept the high-risk trick plays? can we set about the hard work of winning debates with our colleagues as we have done through this process? can we take a win every now and then and give hope to the forgotten men and women of america who no longer believe this place, this people's house cares about them? having achieved nearly every concession that we've asked for, including a motion to vacate the chair with one privileged resolution, does it really boil down to this the 20 or mor

the resolution passed by a vote of 20 to one with thomas massie of kentucky castth

like, will we be freer for it, joining he now kentucky republican congressman, on subcommittee, thomas massy is back, let's get sassy with massey. >> thank you. i'm glad to be back on the job. this committee is exciting to me. and during the negotiations with kevin mccarthy. his speaker ship was negotiated. we got bit better b concessions. >> a big gavel. let's go to kevin mccarthy for a second before committee, i was surprised you were not one of 20 holdouts. the thomas massey i know, is limited government rebel who loves to be the b in the bonnet of the establishment, why did you go along with establishment for so many votes. >> there were never-kevins, i called my a barely-kevin, i was inflinching through 15 rounds, but you know, we have been talking long enough, you saw me be a part of all 3 john boehner coop's, we kept kevin mccarty from winning, we got paul ryan and rules in the house worse than under john boehner. this time, i was watching and actually part of the negotiations to make sure that we got better rules that change this institution, you can change the speaker, but if you do

the rules committee will include congressman thomas massie, a libertarian leaning republican who hasn for being a thorn in the side of, well, congress. massie managed to anger democratic and republican leaders when he tried to force members back to washington to hold a vote on a covid relief bill early in the pandemic when everyone was trying not to be in the same room to the and contract a deadly virus. now he will sit on the rules committee. what could go wrong? the appointment of these personalities as speaker mccarthy is following through on his threat to deny committee assignments to certain democratic members of congress in what looks like retribution. he would refuse adam schiff and eric swalwell their seat on the house intelligence committee despite gt fact they both served on the committee in the previous congress. yesterday hakeem jeffries made clear he was not going to cave to mccarthy's threats, tapping both swalwell and schiff for the intelligence committee. and just before we got on the air tonight, speaker mccarthy officially ruled on leader jeffries' selections saying

as thomas massy pointed out, elon musk bought a crime scene.t we though and the public knows, what are we going to do about it? this select committee answers that question. with oversight and leadership by our most effective member, my friend and colleague, the future chairman of the house judiciary committee, congressman jim jordan. we as republicans are a big and duh verse conference. the real question goes back to strategy. can we accept incremental progress? can we work for a victory, one first down at a time, or can we only accept the trick plays? can we set about the hard work of inwithing debates with our colleagues as we have done through this process? can we take a win every now and then and give hope to the forgotten men and women of america who no longer believe this place, this people's house cares about them. we're having achieved every concession that we have asked for, including a motion to vacate the chair with one privileged resolution. does it really boil down to this that 20 or more of my colleagues will never trust kevin mcc

two years ago we would have said thomas massie and jim jordan would have been two of the guys that are creating havoc and they're outstanding members and they've been leading the way in trying to negotiate a deal for speakership. so i'm confident about the future of the republican party and i'm confident about this republican majority. >> are you worried at all about a minority of the republican conference holding the rest of you hostage? we've heard members of congress talking about how they're afraid that having some of these, whatever you want to call them, former mccarthy opponents, on the rules committee, et cetera, might just get in the way of governance so that you'll have to -- when it comes to must-pass legislation, that means appropriations bills, spending bills, raising the debt ceiling, things that need to pass in order for government to function, but might not be fun votes to cast, that what you might find is some of these folks block it from hitting the floor, you have to go and get 212 democrats and six or so republicans to sign a discharge petition to force it onto the

is likely to name the following lawmakers house rules committee, nick langworthy, ralph norman, thomas massie roy, and aaron who can. now, massie and ralph norman are all pretty hard-core right, and massie is kind of around paul figure. sometimes, he's voting completely by himself. roy and norman were part of the, you know, kind of the opposition to kevin mccarthy. how significant to have these people serving on that committee? >> chris, here is why this matters, and it's not some insider baseball thing. these three people basically now have veto power on any bill that comes to the floor of the house. so, you know how extreme things are, what donald trump is worried that these far-right folks may cut social security. donald trump is saying, please, don't cut social security, please don't ban abortion in all cases. but these folks are further to the right than him, and any deal that mccarthy does on debt ceiling or anything else, they're gonna have a veto over. and really, they are running the house. >> yeah, i also got a wonder -- i mean, i did think the news about them pulling this plan for

and also give you maybe a seat to a conservative that's very close to the freedom caucus like thomas massiething is term limits. ralph norm. >> brian: wants a vote. >> ainsley: congressman or congresswoman to serve only three terms max. >> brian: at least have a vote on it to see where it stands. see if people will vote themselves out. steve a according to punch bowl this morning. kevin mccarthy doesn't want to see what happened yesterday and the day before. multiple roll call votes where he loses. >> brian: terrible. >> steve: he doesn't want to see that again. republican insiders are saying this could drag into next week. so, it's not only bad for kevin mccarthy, as brit hume said last night to bret baier, it's bad for the republicans and it's bad for the country. >> some things like this have happened but never something quite like this where you have 200 members of the house want a certain candidate to be speaker and about 20 don't. and the 20 are calling the tune. one thing is that the public in this country is in no mood for extremist in either party. they don't do well. they didn't d

he saying i will do two and someone very close to them, thomas massie, and vote on term limits.ina. he wants term limits on congressman. has kevin mccarthy agreed to all three of those? if so, how many of them will vote for him now? >> i can't say he's agreed to all of those yet, but i know he's been open to all of those things from the very beginning. this is an example of how kevin mccarthy is not mitch mcconnell. he's not john boehner, he's not paul ryan. paul ryan, years ago, when i first came in, he promised to have the term limits in the floor of the house by this month of this year. never happened. that's not kevin mccarthy. he says he'll do it, he gives his word as a man, and he'll do it. he is not mitch mcconnell. not that wendy pushed through a $1.7 trillion santos live gifts before christmas. he was fighting against that. these to something a lot of people to realize in my opinion. >> brian: why is he okay for minority leader but not speaker? why is that okay? >> when you move from just having to node what's going on, because we agree with 99% or more over the democra

subcommittee chairs, but we know other people did get those subcommittee chairman ships, including thomas massie, who will chair a subcommittee observing the fbi and freedom of speech. these are a lot of concessions that mccarthy did end up making to these members, rodgers on the floor they're being held back, launching at gaetz, excuse, me and it was really a tense moment. i had democrats on the floor sending me pictures of this scrum from their view, because there are no rules on the floor, and videos and pictures are allowed. democrats were certainly taking full advantage of that on that side of the aisle. >> a remarkable night and week. julie tsirkin, thank you so much. joining us, former republican representative carlos karbala of florida. host antonio of our body politic, and johnson allen, senior national reporter for nbc news, also the author of lucky, how joe biden barely won the presidency. jonathan, kevin mccarthy got what he wanted. did he? did he come out bruce at all? did any of his conference members, we just saw that scuffle, there that's not necessarily the image of unity you wa

why would other conservatives like thomas massy, jim banks, kevin hern and others support kevin mccarthyeaker of the house. you know, something in our nature as humans causes us to dehumanize others when we engage in conflict. dehumanizing others makes it easier to ascribe bad motives and engage in the fight but also makes it harder to understand one another. as actions push further disagreement, arguments tend to escalate rather than resolve. we are on the edge of a destructive argument today. i plead with all -- all of my republican colleagues, let cooler more rational heads prevail. let us unite as republicans to elect the next speaker of the house. unlike democrats, nearly every republican at least campaigns on some form of smaller, more accountable government. once we get here the bipartisan consensus keeps growing a bigger, less accountable government. the american people know that the status quo is broken, that we become less free, less safe and more burdened by debt. the american people are sick and tired of it. and they keep sending us reinforcements. reinforcements that today h

is watching at the moment by moment is talking to whom is watching, and you were talking about thomas massie woo, according to where tom cohen is going to where the anti-kevin mccarthy supporters were just seen according to the reporter from punch bowl, and massey is usually the one, and he is interesting history and won a primary despite donald trump's opposition to him, and he is outspoken on a number of issue, and he was once a libertarian, and it was floated that he might end up on the rules committee as part of the overall package that would satisfy the house conservative, and the fact that he is in there, a, and the fact that he has stuck with mccarthy all of the time is telling me something interesting about the role that he is putting together the roy faction together. >> and so, let me add this, david, in emmer's office, and talking about congressman massey and perry also in these conversation, and as he is going back to emmer's office, he is saying, quote, we are not really even talking and it yet. >> okay. well, i will try to -- >> story to pour some wet fruit there on that, and s

this is a guy who along with thomas massie, who i was surprised was not in the -- was one of the republicanssaid, we should not attack the institutional electoral college because we only won the popular vote. that's pretty candid and honest. he didn't just say, i'm a founding father and institutionalist -- that he, said this is not good for party. we should not be attacking this institution. he has guts, whatever you have to say about, him you might disagree with him, but he does not disagree of himself. >> roy is the most interesting. the other thing i would say about roy that really distinguishes him on the most important, vote the defining vote, he voted -- that is sentimentally the issue. the majority of the caucus did not vote to seek elective. this will ultimately put in hand the most radical parts of faction as almost a kind of third party coalition government. that's really what it looks like. it looks like what they were doing this week if you look at israel or uk or a country with no parliamentary governments, it looked like they were hammering out their parliamentary coalition and

and mccarthy tell us .as masse second, kevin mccarthy couldy put thomas massie of kentucky in charge of a new frank church committee designed to discover with the fbi in the intely agencies have been doing to control domestic politics in this country. no they've been doing a lot, but no one in washington wants to talk about it.c is this topic is effectively off itmits and has been no one's talked about it for almost 50 years. >> and so because no one has anm talked about it or stopped it, the rot has spread and democracy has withered. you can feel it. a the fbi is a bigger force inn an american elections than any single group of voters. this cannot continue.it it is is poison and kevin mccay is uniquely situated right now to stop it. so by striking a deal with his twenty colleagues, mccarthy could restore our system to health and at the very same time get the job. he hashe's always wanted. it's not so complicated. let's hope he does it. as we said.n >> more on that story in justt a minute. "monfirst, tonight, as you have likely seen in the first quarter of the nfl's monday night foot

republican thomas massie who is known as a thorn in leadership's side comes as "the new york times" reportss alliance for leading maga voices in congress. marjorie taylor greene whose extremist, racist comments, mccarthy once called appalling and deeply disturbing, "the times" reports greene has taken on an outsized role as a policy adviser to kevin mccarthy, end quote. kevin mccarthy texted a friend this, quote, i will never leave that woman. i will always take care of her. that woman is marjorie taylor greene. and now in addition to two high-profile committees "the times" reports that marjorie taylor greene is also likely to be appointed to a new oversight select subcommittee to investigate the coronavirus. that's according to a source familiar with mccarthy's thinking. joining our coverage nbc news washington correspondent moderator of "washington week" is here and former maryland congresswoman donna edwards. you served in this body. i can almost see a physical reaction to reading this. it's not about which party controls the chamber, is it? >> no, not at all. i think the most disturbing

measure -- second budgetary measure included in the agreement includes an idea from representative thomas massiein the event of a looming shutdown, the house would pass a stopgap spending bill including 98% of current funding to incentivize congress. another concession is that conservatives will hold three seats on the powerful house rules committee according to three people familiar with the agreement because republicans can only afford to lose two votes on that panel, which determines which bills come to the floor. stacking it with conservatives would enable them to take up legislation before it comes to a full vote. any bill opposed by three conservatives would likely feel regardless -- likely fail regardless." that from politico. some of the concessions mccarthy gave up to become speaker. we want to know what you think about mccarthy securing the speakership on the 15th ballot vote. let's start with michelle, calling for minnesota on th republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i really appreciated this process over the last seven days. ou country was established on a two-party sy

measure -- second budgetary measure included in the agreement includes an idea from representative thomas massiein the event of a looming shutdown, the house would pass a stopgap spending bill including 98% of current funding to incentivize congress. another concession is that conservatives will hold three seats on the powerful house rules committee according to three people familiar with the agreement because republicans can only afford to lose two votes on that panel, which determines which bills come to the floor. stacking it with conservatives would enable them to take up legislation before it comes to a full vote. any bill opposed by three conservatives would likely feel regardless -- likely fail regardless." that from politico. some of the concessions mccarthy gave up to become speaker. we want to know what you think about mccarthy securing the speakership on the 15th ballot vote. let's start with michelle, calling for minnesota on the republican line. good morning. caller: good morning. i really appreciated thi process over the last seven days. our country was established on a two-party s

as thomas massie pointed out, elon musk brought a crime scene. now that we know and the public knows, the question is, what in the hell are we going to do about it? well, this select committee answers that question. with oversight and leadership by our most effective member, my friend and colleague, the future chairman of the house judiciary committee, congressman jim jordan. we as republicans are a big and diverse conference. the real question goes back to strategy. can we accept incremental progress? can we work for a victory, one first down at a time? or can we only accept the high-risk trick plays? can we set about the hard work of winning debates with our colleagues as we have done through this process? can we take a win every now and then and give hope to the forgotten men and women of america who no longer believe this place, this people's house cares about them? having achieved nearly every concession that we've asked for, including a motion to vacate the chair with one privileged resolution, does it really boil down to this the 20 or mor

with republican thomas massie of kentucky casting the only no vote. this follows a first round of sanctions on iran from the treasury department announced on monday. congressman george santos of new york also talked about the protests in iran for his first floor speech in congress. the republican lawmaker who was facing allegations of fabricating his past and resume urged the biden administration to do more to support the protesters. quest without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. >> madame speaker, today i rise in support of the bravery of protesters against the barbaric forces of reality. ronald reagan said freedom is fragile. it is a fragile thing and never more than one generation away from extinction. i reading protesters have based this resolution on three principles. women, life and freedom. all of which america has rightfully championed. with the considerable population of iranian americans, let america serve as a democratic beacon of light for the iranian men and women who are fighting abroad. i would like to acknowledge