he recently shelved thomas massie and just outside the house chamber. i think there's a lot of concern about jamal bowman. so i feel threatened by him. >> concern, threatened, shoved, i saw that tape. he did not shove him. i would know if he shoved him. the man she says she feels threatened by is this congressman. he represents parts of the bronx, and for the record, we've shown this video of his interaction with thomas massie. it was an argument about gun violence. but no shoving, obviously. the charges that bowman was being aggressive and as a result she felt threatened by him. so here is the exchange. >> save the party. the party is hanging by a thread. the party -- no more qanon. no more debt ceiling. come on. save the party. save the children. do something about guns. come on. save the children. >> where are all the kids? where all the children? you've lost them. there are tens of thousands and we cannot find them. migrant children -- >> that is fox news. let me tell you something. save the party. >> okay? as you can see two members of congress arg

we think they have lost as votes, but the third swing vote, thomas massie of kentucky a short time agoin the room and announced that he is a yes or essentially moving this bill out of committee. you heard probably just now a sigh of relief from speaker kevin mccarthy getting that vote. he is among those who does not still love the bill and it is not clear how he will vote on the floor, but that was a very big moment at least in moving forward and potentially setting up about as republicans are likely to do tomorrow for the bill overall. where are we in terms of those votes tomorrow? i spoke with the house number part of the gop leadership team who told me that they are having not done a full count yet but think they're getting their hands around the questions members have and they are feeling good about it. this is just to say what you're two interview showed, we do not know where the votes go, but you need more than 214 to defeat a bill, and now we have 30 so it is a long way for opponents like scott perry to go. as you >> just heard, some of those loudest critics of the hard right re

thomas massie appears to be a yes. there are six other mccarthy allies whose votes were never in question. this bill is in good shape to get out of the rules committee, whether or not democrats vote for it. the tradition around here is that typically the majority party has to carry these procedural votes in committee, so even though a lot of democrats are going to vote for it on the floor of the house, some of them might vote against the procedural rule to go forward. chip roy and ralph norman are also on the rules committee. they are very critical of this bill. they can vote against it and it still would have the votes to pass on republican strength. >> yeah, and you know what, i'm going to say so what, as i come over to you. if you literally say i will not vote for anything, you're iced out of the conversation. that was a dumb strategy to begin with. they sort of have it both ways. nancy mays, she said she doesn't like the vote, she's not going to vote for it. she says i'm voting no on the debt ceiling debacle becaus

and so chip roy, ralph norman and thomas massie, and roy and norman plan to vote against the bill in the house committee. if thomas massie votes no, it is problematic for mccarthy, because he agreed to only allow for the deal to move forward to have support of seven members of the committee and to add a new wrinkle, chip roy said that he and mccarthy had a handshake deal that they would only consider legislation on the floor that had agreement of all nine, and something that the allies are denying. this is causing the tension among the ranks, because chip roy who is believing that it should not have been cut is calling on the members to block it today. >> i am going to be making it loud and clear to the republican colleagues that it is not a deal to be taking. the point of the rules committee is to say that we have a power sharing and representation of the entire conference. i'm not thrilled with the bill right now, and i am not going into the rules committee with a positive view. kevin is a friend, but i will not vote just for the sake of unity. >>> and tomorrow in the house, narrow

here with his insight, kentucky congressman thomas massie.to have you this morning with us. so bank of america turning over lists of customers, first of all, i think some of them they considered geofenced within some type of january 6th designated area, but also others had just bought guns and turns it over to the fbi? >> right. if you bought so much as a hot dog with a credit card or a debit card from bank of america on january 5th, 6th or 7th in washington, d.c. of 2021, hay put you on a list and gave it to the fbi, but they enhanced that list by day that mining their -- data mining the private records of their customers to see anybody who's bought a firearm, and that wasn't limited by date. and that's very disturbing to us because that information comes from an fbi whistleblower. he's a supervisory intelligence analyst. it was corroborated by his boss who's a special agent in charge of the boston the field office at the fbi. so we've got two whistleblowers telling us that this is going on, and there's no legal process. and let me be clear

the third, thomas massie hasn't said if he would come out in favor of the bill. if he votes no, that could complicate things substantially. that means six republicans in favor of it, if democrats vote no, it could stall the bill going forward. an added complication is that chip roy's contention that a private deal was made in january where kevin mccarthy said all nine republicans on the committee must agree in order to consider legislation on the floor. that's been disputed by mccarthy's allies. they do agree that mccarthy agreed that seven republicans have to agree for the full house to consider that respective bill on the floor. that's why right now the focus is on thomas massie of kentucky and whether he decides to break with the speaker and vote against it. that could significantly complicate things going forward. the expectation, jake, is that massey will be in line with the speaker. he has not said so publicly yet. that's what the republican leadership is banking on at this moment in this key first step for this bill. >> manu, how seriously should we take t

he just recently shoved thomas massie just outside the house chamber. i think there's a lot of concern about jamaal bowman. so -- and i am concerned about, i feel threatened by him. he not only led a mob there but his boisterous lies, and i'll tell you another thing he said out there, he said save your party. i kept telling him no, save the country. it's not about political parties. we shouldn't care about political parties. we should care about the country no matter what our political beliefs are, jamaal bowman, i don't know what his political beliefs are, i know what mine are. but we intoat swore an oath to serve the country here in -- but but both swore an oath to serve the country here in congress. i'm very concerned about jamaal bowman. she's someone people should watch. yes, ma'am. reporter: procedural question, my understanding is you could be offering your resolutions on the house floor as a question of privilege of the house dh would let you get a vote within a couple of days. at some point are you interesting in going down that path to force a

that is representative chip roy, and representative thomas massie. they are not considered close allies of the speaker. 2 of them voted against this debt limit rule. it passed with 7 republican votes and to six no votes. the rules committee going forward could be somewhat more unpredictable. anytime people want to make some bipartisan coalition, perhaps they can move legislation that the speaker would not have been so eager to see brought to the floor. that is always a live possibility, just because it has not been utilized in recent years does not mean it is there. host: here is matthew from new york, democrats' line. caller: as a progressive, i am really dismayed with the democrats and joe biden for even taking up this ludicrous idea of having a debate over the debt ceiling limit. a majority of the people who are in congress now or in congress then when all of these issues were passed. now it has come the time to pay for them, and they want to change the rules. if, i would have -- if i had been joe biden, i would have gladly shown then the exit. th

jay and thomas massie, a friend of this program, i thought they brought up good points, and they explained why openness and having an open forum like twitter spaces is important. i think one thing that governor desantis is best at is counter punching. i almost would have liked to have heard someone who was a little bit more skeptical push against the governor to see him push back. was there -- a concerted effort to keep it friendly? >> no, i asked him what i would consider some difficult questions. we pitched fastballs at him and the naacp travel advisory. i asked him about why the disney feud was still going, and about the book burning issue. so-called that mainstream media has been attacking him with. we asked him directly about the number of controversies that mainstream media tried to surround him with, he did a good job explaining to do people who never heard from him before, we're reaching an audience of millions of people, my room 3.6 listeners have opportunity -- million le listeners that is tuned in and those mirroring my room we got up to over 9 million this got a huge audience.

ostracized effifor his covid views and also from capitol hill, kentucky republican congressman thomas massie, what were your thoughts on the successful part you heard? >> i think a very interesting thing is, i first, let's be clear, almost certain that the republican nominee will be either donald trump and ron desantis, i think that the rest are also rans, interesting thing is that tactic that trump seems to have taken to attack him on something that should be, hope would be polar with republican primary v voters, reining in entitlements like social security and medicare, he can't attack him about the lockdowns that he enforced, do. he can't attack him for enforcing red flag laws, he is one of the champions of those and condition attack ron desantis for signing off on budgets that are double budgets when he came into office, donald trump spent and ran up more debt than and other president in one term before him this is all he can do or maybe fall back to, calling him names, that has worked for him in the past. ron desantis can do quite a bit to attack trump, donald trump rolled over to the f

he had part of the dealmaking to secure the speakership, chip roy and ralph norman and what is thomas massie going to do? there is some speculation that he will vote yes, and if he does, that is a big sigh of republican leader, and then the bill goes the next group of leader. and if no, what will he do to build the opposition towards the vote, but one of the deals i had was to have one member to call for a ouster of the house speaker. will they challenge him? today and tonight, house speaker kevin mccarthy will try to convince the members to come along and support this deal. they will have a first face-to-face since joe biden and kevin mccarthy cut this deal. the expectation of the republican leards is that they could get the majority of the conference behind them, but that me means after insisting they would not, and the new requirements of the social safety program, and they were forced to do that to suspend the debt limit to january 2025. if there are enough left center democrats to vote this forward and expectation of 100 or so, and so that means there could be the votes on the floor tom

all eyes are on thomas massie, another conservative on that committee, and what he will do. but once it passes out of the house if it gets out of the house of representatives on wednesday, the fight will then move to the u.s. senate. you are already hearing backlash from some conservatives like lindsey graham who are arguing that the defense number agreed to in this legislation is not high enough. the senate can move the bill very quickly, but that requires them to have agreement among all their members. if one member objects, that could really drag this whole process out potentially putting you right up against the june 5th deadline coming just about a week from now. for cnn, lauren fox. >>> national holiday in the u.s. has ended in gun violence and blood shed. at least nine people were wounded including three children in hollywood beach on monday as the country marked memorial day. >> this is the moment gunfire broke out near a busy pedestrian area. you can see people running for safety. a reporter spoke to witnesses who described a chaotic scene. >> reporter: i spoke off

cursing, telling me too theft out of their progress bowman tangled with kentucky republican thomas massie >> are you listening to what i'm saying? >> calm down for. >> calm down children dying. 9-year-old children for. >> lawyer for lawmakers dismissed itself in public view tensions are mounting of the debt ceiling. and so to are the verbal paradigm capitol hill chad pergram fox news. jon: will keep you updated. plus wildfires raging in western can appear there starting to have an impact here in the u.s. we will tell you about one fox report turns. your car insurance... so you only pay for what you need. that's my boy. now you get out there, and you make us proud, huh? ♪ bye, uncle limu. ♪ stay off the freeways! only pay for what you need. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty. ♪ around the globe in saudi arabia at middle eastern leaders of the arab league regional summit warm welcome to syrian president. serious returned to the lake after 11 your suspension has faced pushback from the united states and other western nat nations. preparing to go to the polls to choose between the incumbent

> to your point about the way in which some of this is being repeated, kentucky representative thomas massy tweeted stewart rhodes never entered the capitol and didn't commit acts of violence or destruction, yet he's going to be sentenced thursday for seditious conspiracy, obstructing an official proceeding and tampering can with doc, and then in parentheses the stuff on his phone, weaponization of speech. i mean talk us through the sentencing decisions as you see it. >> well, i'm not an attorney, but i'm an avid student of all this, so obviously over the last 2 1/2 years. it doesn't matter whether he entered the capitol, right? enrique tarrio just convicted last week didn't enter the capitol. the fact is these individuals are master minds of the plot to overthrow the election process. so you don't have to physically be there to be pulling the strings on those myriad individuals, tens of thousands of individuals that were following the cause. the fact they once again these were captains. i actually believe stewart rhodes isn't intelligent nor sophisticated enough to have pulled this off by

all eyes are on thomas massie, another conservative on that committee, and what he is going to do. once it passes out of the house if it indeed gets out of the house of representatives on wednesday despite will then move to the u.s. senate. you are already hearing backlash from some conservatives like lindsey graham who are arguing that the defense number agreed to in this legislation it's just not high enough. the senate can move this bill very quickly but that requires them to have agreement among all their members. if mom one member objects that could really drag this whole process out, potentially -- on capitol hill for cnn, lauren fox. >> earlier i ask law professor jessica levinson what must be done to get the votes. >> i think the real question mark will be what happens to the house freedom caucus on the right and what happens to the really progressive ring of the democratic party on the left. if there are significant defections, i think that will give us an indication of basically how good a job kevin mccarthy, the speaker of the house has done in terms of rallying his troo

he did so with thomas massy over guns a few months ago.ys he will stay away from marjorie taylor greene. >> john: chad pergram, thank you. we'll keep watching it. >> sandra: new york city attempting to declare a war on shoplifters. mayor eric adams unveiling a new plan. how bad has shoplifting become? c.b. cotton on that. >> sandra, good afternoon. the mayor says fewer than 400 repeat offenders are responsible for 30% of the city's retail theft. now the city plans to keep a list of its repeat shoplifters and create diversion programs for the nonviolent ones to possibly avoid prosecution or jail time. the city says it wants to stop the shoplifting spin cycle. >> 327 individuals were arrested more than 666 times for an average of 20 times each. and we can't just continue to allow the behavior to harm our city, it doesn't matter if it's retail theft or if it's violent crimes. >> now here in new york city shoplifting has increased year over year since 2018. 2020 the only exception. the largest increase was 44% from 2021 to 2022. a retired nypd

all eyes are on thomas massie, another conservative on that committee, and what he is going to do.asses out of the house if it indeed gets out of the house of representatives on wednesday despite will then move to the u.s. senate. you are already hearing backlash from some conservatives like lindsey graham who are arguing that the defense number agreed to in this legislation it's just not high enough. the senate can move this bill very quickly but that requires them to have agreement among all their members. if mom one member objects that could really drag this whole process out, potentially -- on capitol hill for cnn, lauren fox. >> officials in the u.s. state of florida say at least nine people, including a one year old child were wounded in a shooting on monday evening. it happened near busy pedestrian area by the beach in south florida. here you can see people starting to run after gunfire broke out. police believe the shots were fired during an altercation between two groups of people. they have detained one person of interest and are searching for another suspect. officials h

billionairely passed the rules committee overcoming a rebellion from conservatives after republican thomas massief kentucky voted to support it. you had conservatives from the house freedom caucus chip roy and dan bishop voting against it with all four democrat members of that committee refusing really to bail out the fractured g.o.p. conference over this bill that they didn't negotiate and would not have written themselves. this advances the legislation now to a full floor vote. and there is a considerable effort to whip the vote and count the votes on both sides. speaker mccarthy pledged yesterday that two thirds of republicans will end up supporting this on the floor. but conservatives like dan bishop are calling on their colleagues to oppose the bill saying that they expect it won't even get half of the conference in support. >> i'm just fed up with the lies. i'm fed up with the lack of courage. the cowardice. and i intend, in the time that i'm here, i intend to see to it that those -- that there is somebody who is prepared to say what needs to be done. 434 members of congress, nobody could h

print trillions and trillions of dollars, anybody knew at the time and people like her friend thomas massiereaming from the rooftops at the time that it was going to lead to persistent inflation. so you need to spend less money. you also need to expand domestic energy production, energy costs contributes to inflation and we have an abundance of resources, this president does not want to use. we will reverse the energy process very quickly and we need a federal reserve that is going to focus on maintaining a stable dollar. they should not be the economic central planner for our country. they are not accountable to anybody. they are not elected by anybody. and yet they are printing of money has really thrust us into this. they said there would not be inflation and yet here we are. now hiking interest rates that hurts the economy. so we need a fed-focused on a stable dollar and don't worry about trying to manipulate the rest of the economy. >> trey: if a candidate for the republican nomination or presidents as i can balance the budget and i can restore fiscal sanity and do it without touching

press the third to watch was thomas massie yesterday. he committed what is this perspective going forward? rex thomas massie folder number people before the rules committee meeting there a lot of questions when he opposed a bowl and block the bill from coming to the floor? as the rules committee works the majority of rules committee members, 13 on the panel i'm sorry 13 on the panel decided not, it would not advance the cult floyd break but check right and ralph norman were strong currents of the bill. if they revolted against the party that blocked the role. but in the rules debates, massie said he would vote for the has g treatment and there's a provision in their hand champion appropriation bills as part of the annual fiscal year spending appropriation process. if that does not happen all 12 bills are not passed by january 1 the annual spending will be cut by 1%. this is something massie had champion was an applicant about for the rule. east end reporters and lawmakers even more after that. telling reporters and his conference in a cl

all eyes are on thomas massie, another conservative and what he is going to do, but if this bill getsthe house floor, i am told from multiple sources that the expectation is that the house republicans could lock up 150 votes potentially even more. that, of course, comes after a furious whipping operation over the weekend and through the day today. the argument coming from house republicans is you essentially have two choices, can you support this bill or you can support default and that is the argument they are making. they are arguing that they got the white house to the negotiating table after president biden and chuck schumer argued they would not negotiate on this debt ceiling so they feel like they are going to be able to get the republican votes they need, meanwhile, democrats also working furiously to get their own members on board. if it gets to the floor the votes will be there. >> does it still have to pass the senate? what's the latest there? >> reporter: there is heartburn from some members of the senate including lindsey graham arguing that he's very concerned about the d

i hope that chip roy, ralf norman and thomas massy, will be able to kill it in the rules committee. i hope republican opposition to it will grow as more republican members learn what's actually in the bill. you go from cancelling the irs expansion of $80 billion to just rescinding $1 billion. weak work requirements. >> let me ask you about that. you say weak work requirements. why would democrats vote to expand work requirements? >> you had work requirements for medicaid, food stamps and cash welfare payments. the biggest part is medicaid. that was taken out. you had exceptions added to the work requirements for veterans for homeless and anyone affiliated with foster care. the modest work requirements have a sunset provisions. those will expire. the exceptions will not expire. it's like the irs expansion -- >> not good but stricter than they are. let me ask you about the freedom caucus. freedom caucus members voted a motion to vacate. that would allow a single republican to initiate a vote to remove kevin mccarthy as speaker. buck, as we understand it, referred to it as the elephant

> to your point about the way in which some of this is being repeated, kentucky representative thomas massieered the capitol and didn't ask commit acts of violence or destruction, yet he's going to be sentenced thursday for seditious conspiracy, obstructing an official proceeding, and tampering with docks, in parentheses, deleting stuff on his phone. weaponization of speech? kelly meggs received a lighter sentence than roads even though he actually entered the capitol on january 6th, roasted not. talk us through the sentencing decisions as you see it. >> i'm not an attorney but i am an avid student of all this, obviously, over the last two and a half years. it doesn't matter whether he entered the capital. rico theriot who was just convinced last week didn't enter the capitol. the fact is these individual masterminds of the plan to overthrow the election process you don't have to be pulling the strings on tens of thousands of individuals that were following the cause. and so the fact that they once again, these are captains, i believe stewart rhodes isn't intelligent north sophisticated enou

this committee, but obviously that comment back in january, giving some insight into how at least thomas massies viewing his role on this rules committee today. if it makes it out of the rules committee, we expect it will have the votes it needs to pass on the house floor with multiple sources telling me that republicans are confident they could get or are at least locking down about 150 or more republicans. poppy? >> lauren, thank you very much. >>> joining us now congressman brendan boil, a democrat from pennsylvania, the ranking member of the house budget committee and been in close contact with white house negotiators throughout this dell ceiling fight, throughout this process. good to have you with us this morning. just picking up there where my colleague lauren fox left off, are you concerned at all about the house rules committee meeting today? chip roy is very clear this is not a deal he should be making, in his words. >> i will be testifying in front of the rules committee given that i'm the ranking member in the budget committee. i fully expect that those two ultra right members chip

i did not get thomas massie's or loewen boebert's christmas cards. i had gone to weddings and mourned the loss of parents at funerals and to date out of the hundreds of friends, with many that had stayed at my house, i have heard from one or two. it is still 1.5 years in. a funny thing happened. when people leave the industry often they: say, thank god, they call in and say, thank god. it is worse than i thought it was. keep going. but, to the point, i thought we would be attacked so vociferously. i live in a very conservative and gun friendly part of the country. i was worried about my kids going to school. i was worried about my wife going to the grocery store. there is a hill above my house and i was worried about snipers there. i have lived in this business. actually the opposite happened. we have been absolutely deluged with positive stuff. 95% positive. i thought it would be 5% positive. every morning i have messages from people that are like, i owned guns but i can't take it anymore, thank you for doing this. or, i can't understand how my dad

thomas massie may actually vote yes because, when you go back to the speaker fight.when kevin mccarthy was having the hardest time getting across the finish line, ralph norman were part of the anti-mccarthy vote. as speaker mccarthy is asking republicans to line good chance two people on the rules committee are going to say no to the rule and then it is pretty much dead until they figure out what to do. >> ainsley: one of those you mentioned ralph norman he was on "fox & friends first." he said it's not what we bargained for a conservative deal to giving in everything. if you read some of the highlights brian and steve. suspends the debt ceiling until january 1st s, 2025. increases spending for defense funding and veterans benefits. lindsey graham has a problem with that he wants more money for defense. claws back 29 billion in unspent covid-19 funds. it repeals 1.9 billion for the irs this year. does that mean they won't be hire all those agents? the student loan payments will begin again in 60 days, brian. >> brian: yeah, there's a lot going on here. number one, yo

two of those committee members are nos, so we're waiting to see if one other member, congressman thomas massiet's take a look at what exactly's in this bill that their discussing. they're cussing. it keeps non-defense spending basically flat next fiscal year and caps it at 1% the following year. it claws back unspent covid relief money and some money from the irs. it expands work requirements for some people receiving s.n.a.p., which are food stamps, and suspends the debt ceiling until january of 2025 the. >> the democrats will tell you there's nothing in the bill for them. the president numerous time eses kept asking for tax increases, new government programs, and i just said no. and he says, well, there's nothing in it for us to vote for. i said, well, there's a debt ceiling increase we can go forward on. >> reporter: but not all republicans feel that way. members of the conservative free come caucus held a press conference the afternoon bashing the bill for not going far enough to cut spending. on the opposite end of the political spectrum, proifgs are barr bashing -- progressives are bashi

just moments ago, thomas massie, kentucky republican, just announces he plans to vote to approve thise. why is that significant? this is the first step in the legislative process. the committee needs to approve the rule, and that sets the parameters for the florida debate in the house. that means a majority of the house who have to vote once the rule say proved, the majority of the house can vote to approve the underlying bill, the debt limit bill, to extend the debt limit up until january of 2025. kevin mccarthy, the speaker of the house has been under fire from folks on his right flank. he has part of this deal that he cut with the white house would suspend the debt limit until january 2025. a number of folks on the far right said that was too much. instead, he should have pushed for a much shorter debt ceiling increase to give them more of a chance to extract key concessions from the white house next year. when i asked mccarthy why he agreed to this, he defended his approach. >> suspending the debt limit for two years. that's one thing. well, until january 2025. fine. january 2025.

billionairely passed the rules committee overcoming a rebellion from conservatives after republican thomas massie

personal freedomsome joining me now to discuss with all the answers, kentucky republican congressman thomas massie. all right. let's get sassy with this, because you're absolutely right about e-verify. i'm curious why a lot of republicans think that this is the great band-aid. >> well,, first of all, thanks for having me on, kennedy. it's been so long, i was starting to wonder if you were all tuckered out. kennedy: okay, all right. [laughter] congressman. >> the problem with this e- verify is it's like the patriot act or any other background check system, the no-fly list. ooh i'm sure everybody's got a good reason when they put it many place, but if you give the federal government more power, they're going to the abuse it. how did joe biden force millions of people to get vaccinated? through their employment. that was his enforcement mechanism. he took a bureaucracy that already existed which was osha, and said we're going to the use osha to make sure employers force their employees to get vaccinated. in the next pandemic it may become v-verify. kennedy: yes, absolutely. and frankly, i'm surprised

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but he did call talker the next day from his office, with representative thomas massie, and had agreedo some of tucker's terms, according to a text that tucker had sent me, he, said that was a win. >> part of working for karlsson, you are in the maria borough show. she repeatedly had sydney powell on, rudy giuliani, spreading lies. when you are senior producer, there was that okay with you? did you buy into that? >> it's an interesting thing to look back on from kind of a perspective now, but being there in the moment, i was definitely seduced for about a week by those ideas, as tens of millions of americans were. and wondering if there could be evidence, and i was waiting for it and waiting for, because the president of the united states had made very serious claims of fraud, and that evidence never came. so, for me, it took a few days to kind of just realize, the whole thing was a ruse. and kind of, you know, i think the american public was also waiting, and coming to that realization around the same time. and fox fueled that's also for them. >> i mean, plenty of people were saying t

concessions that speaker mccarthy made to some of the hard-line conservatives in his conference, thomas massie, chip roy and ralph norman, members of the house freedom caucus onto the rules committee that basically decides what happens to any bills leadership wants to move to the floor. they'll meet tomorrow at 3:00. it's a 9-4 split, republicans and democrats. basically what happens is, if three republicans decide not to vote for it, democrats are going to have to shore up the votes. they rarely vote for the opposing party's rule to hit the floor. in this case with the bill negotiated by speaker mccarthy and president biden, the leader of their party, we do expect some democrats to show up an vote for this bill as well to get i then moving to the floor. if and when it passes the rules committee, which we don't know how long that process is going to take, wednesday evening after markets close is when the full house is expected to take this bill up. we'll see what happens then. >> i've got to tell you, from what i'm hearing, robert, there are a lot of democrats not sold on this. debbie dingell

those members, ralph norman and chip roy, we are also going to be keeping a close eye on thomas massieould be the tiebreaker in that vote. if it does make it out of the house rules committee it will then go to the house floor as soon as wednesday. that's when i am told leadership and republicans are expecting they could get about 150 republican members supporting this bill. they're working to lock up that support, but obviously that would be a huge number, a majority of the majority, something that kevin mccarthy, the house speaker has been promising since he announced this deal on saturday night. he could deliver, pam. >> all right, could have a busy week ahead, lauren fox, thanks so much. "outfront" now, republican congressman bob good of virginia. he is part of the house freedom caucus and sits on the house budget committee. he previously opposed raising the debt ceiling in 2021. his first year in congress. thank you for your time, congressman, so you and congressman roy were on the same page in criticizing and opposing this bipartisan deal to raise the debt ceiling and avoid a defa

so all eyes are on thomas massie, he seen as the swing vote and hasn't expressed publicly his opinionl. without his vote, the deal dies unless, unless, a democrat joins the remaining republicans to vote to advance the bill to the full house. assuming it clears that hurdle, it would go to the house tomorrow. it would then need a simple majority, that means 218 votes if all members are present. the gop has a 222-213 majority in the house. so it is possible to get it passed along party lines but unlikely. it then goes to the senate where in theory they could quickly hold a vote if they agreed to unanimous consent which means that they can skip the debate. but, and a big but, it only takes one lawmaker to hold it up. and both senators mike lee and lindsey graham have said that they have objections to the bill and could put up road blocks further delaying the process. tick tock, tick tock. >>> and coming up for us, battered at sea for hours. terrifying moments aboard a carnival cruise ship. the video really. we'll hear from one passenger about what she and her family went through. >>> and

here's a part of it beginning with republican congressman thomas massie of kentucky who says he plans to vote for the rule governing debate on the debt limit deal. d the metal out. i think that, mr. chairman. >> that gentleman from kentucky is recognized to whatever he wants to approach the panel with. >> thank you. there has been a lot of discussion in the media about whether this is suspending or cap spending or whether it does not. i want to get to the bottom of that. the president said in a tweet, it is an important step forward that produces bending. ranking member boyle, do you agree that this reduces spending? >> i believe that in terms of defense spending, it includes a 3% increase, with respect to nondefense discretionary. is a small decrease over this past fiscal year 2023. >> thank you. do you think this bill reduces spending? >> this bill will cause a reduction in spending based on the budget account. >> ranking member thompson, do you think this will produce spending? you do? >> i do. >> what about you? will this produce bending? >> it will produce ended without increasin

credit our fellow rules committee member, thomas massie, for the concept of including this in the debt limit bill because if the appropriators cannot pass all 12 of their appropriations bills by september 30, it automatically goes to a continuing resolution with a 1% reduction. that's the first time that that has ever happened. so we have budget enforcement, in fact, without blowing up the filibuster over in the senate, we all know what that could lead to. no one can say they got everything they wanted in this bill. and, candidly, i don't think the reforms -- the permitting reforms are nearly enough. the nepa reform included in this bill is an important first step, but there's no question that we will need to do much more. the full faith and credit of the united states is preserved with this legislative product. and bear that in mind, if the united states were to default on its debt, there actually is another country, the people's republic of china, who would like to be the reserve currency of the world. we will not give them that chance when we pass this bill. i commend patrick mchenr

david sax, who actually moderated the event along with congressman thomas massie ,he participated as well. he'll be here. plus, you're going to hear from newt gingrich, charlie hurt, raymond arroyo. they're going to compare previous presidential launches and tell you how this one stacked up. but first, as you might have guessed, desantis launches. that's the focus of tonight's angle. >> now it's quiet. let's see. so we all look so just to simplify. >> all right, great. so let's see. >> crashing here. i'm super excited to have governor , because, okay, we're being a little naughty here. >> yeah, it was a little glitchy. you have to laugh at yourself. that's kind of stuff happens to us all the time on the anger angle. but ron desantis announced his presidential bid tonight, of course. but will not plagued with technical issues. the question and answer period, especially is really important, like when he pledged he's going to rein in our fat, bloated government. >> buckle up when i get in there, because the status quo is not acceptable and we are going to make sure that we constitutiona

this was an idea brought forth by thomas massie. i think it is very positive idea. what it is doing is it is forcing consequences for members of congress on both sides of the aisle to do their job. this will not be a republican or democrat idea, this is for americans telling congress there should be consequences for you not doing your job, now gives you the incentives. so what you will find is congress is going to work better, smarter in this process because of it. then we will get our work done. >> at least spoken to that leadership? >> i haven't spoken to them, i expect most will say yes. >> [inaudible] >> i spoke to hakeem jeffries on a number of times, look, members should read in the bill before hand, people should look at it. but negotiating, communicating with the president, the president signs off, i expect his party to be supportive as well. yes, sir? >> you characterized this bill to make a case to members as something that has no concessions. how do you expect -- >> look, we, we, we raised the debt ceiling, we raised it in good faith with the president. i

host: thomas massie was the one to watch yesterday.id he come from and what is his perspective going forward? guest: before this meeting, there were a lot of questions. will massey oppose the role? -- oppose the rule? if the 13 on the panel decided not to -- if they were joined by massey and revolting against the party, that would block the rule. massey actually said he would vote for the rule. he said there is a provision in the air he had championed that allows congress to pass 12 appropriation bills as part of the appropriations process. if all 12 bills are not passed by january 1, then annual spending will be cut by 1%. he stunned reporters and lawmakers, telling reporters that he is actually going to vote for the bill today when it comes to the floor. he told my colleague that this is the first piece of legislation he will vote on that will cut spending at the end of the day. host: tell us what to expect today, especially for the debate over the rules, and the vote itself. what do we expect to hear from the republican faction? gue

anybodllars, ay knew at the timr and people like our friende thomas massie were screaming from the rooftops at the time that it was going to lead to persistent inflation. so you neent inflation.d to spes money. you also need to expandee comestic energy production. energy costs contribute a to inflation. we have an abundance of resourcend ws here that thisil president doesn't want to use. so we will reverse biden'sgy energy policies very quickly. w but we also need a federalat reserve that's going to focus on maintaining a stable dollar. they shoul shod not be the econc central planner for our country. theythey're not accountable to anybody. they're not elected by anybody. and ye elected b thisey're printing of money has really thrust us into this. they said there wouldn't. be inflation. and yet here we are now.w hiki they've been hiking interest rates and that hurts the economy. so we need a fed focused on a reable dollar. and don't worry about trying to manipulate the rest of the economy. if a candidate for the republican nomination or president says i can balance the budget, i can restore