votes are real for norman, keith self, and thomas massie. massie voting for emmer, self byron donalds, norman for jim jordan. those are the three and there will be pressure likely on them as we get ready for a second ballot. sandra? >> sandra: absolutely. bret, karl, if you could standby with us, karl, we are checking in with chad pergram on what he is learning. chad? >> they are kind of any stasis in the house of representatives and what i am told is there going to go to a second ballot. by rule that is what they're supposed to do. there could be circumstances where they would recess the house and come back at 4:00 or 5:00, but what i am told is there going to go onto a second ballot. we talked about the three members elect, remember they are not sworn in just yet, we talk about these members-elect, i had a rather lengthy interview with ralph norman yesterday who is going to meet with speaker johnson and said he would make his announcement today asked her how he felt about mike johnson, and i said waiting minute, what are you looking for her

purpose of this. >> and not only has massey got problems with johnson, donald trump has no sway over thomas massie massey voted for ron desantis for president, and at one point, donald trump came out against thomas massey, who, by the way, is mike, congressman from kentucky. uh, in one of his primaries, unsuccessfully. by the way, massey overcame that opposition from trump. so if you're thinking like you can just get donald trump on the phone here, uh, maybe that helps with ralph norman and the other guy, but it's it's not going to help with massey. i think the the mindset of the republican party here is important. we're not in the peanut gallery. we're we've been elected to govern, you know, the house, the senate and the white house. the american people put the republican party in charge across the board. and so there are some responsibilities here to the voters who cast those votes to say, are you going to do something in washington other than sit around and read each other's names out loud all day? >> one of the other things, one of the other points i think is worth noting is that by some measu

there is more of the back-and-forth between thomas massie and newt gingrich that you can find on thomasassie's x. host: pedro echevarria with more on the speaker vote. learning more about thomas massie's rationale. he is the hard no. there are a dozen republicans who could vote against speaker mike johnson. they haven't said, definitively, other than thomas massie, how they will vote. many meeting behind doors with speaker mike johnson. johnson telling reporters that he is open to the changes they are requesting. we will see what those are. punch bowl news reporting this morning that the republicans who are holdouts will be meeting with the speaker again this morning leading up to the vote at noon eastern. let's hear from jonathan in salem, oregon, democratic caller . what is your message to washington? caller: good morning. huge c-span fan. listen every morning, 4:00 in the morning in oregon. love you guys. you are my heroes. two things. everyone talking about immigration. it bugs me to death. my community in salem is 80% mexican, and it doesn't bother me. it never bothered me. hugely

who was known — congressman, thomas massie who was known for those things and he did — was known— would pull out his interviews before voting forjohnson so i think— before voting forjohnson so i think he — before voting forjohnson so i think he did not get a phone call — think he did not get a phone call. , call. the thing is there were six others — call. the thing is there were six others who _ call. the thing is there were six others who did - call. the thing is there were six others who did not - call. the thing is there were six others who did not vote | call. the thing is there were l six others who did not vote on the first call and did vote for johnson before the gavel came down, which tells me there is a hard—line group of 12 or so republicans who were part of that freedom caucus. who want something for mikejohnson that he cannot give them. as he suggests, they once a cut in spending but that is not necessarily what the president wants. i necessarily what the president wants. , ., , wants. i will tell you this. that block— wants. i will tell you this. that block of _ want

thomas massie is an ideologue. don't see him budging, but i think others will ultimately come around. >> yeah, i mean, maria, the other thing too, about all of this is that the fact that donald trump has to come in at the 11th hour here to push mike, mike johnson over the finish line. it also suggests that he just doesn't have the same kind of push and pull with, with maga world that he once did. i mean, there was the budget fight before the end of the year. there are these upcoming cabinet picks and now the speaker vote. >> that's exactly right, jim. and i think that that's something that we can't lose sight of. i mean, donald trump had a huge loss during the whole budget fight. he was very clear about what he wanted in terms of getting rid of the debt ceiling. and no one paid attention to him. that didn't happen. so i do think that his hold on the maga world isn't as strong as before, because let's also remember, he's a lame duck president. he is not running again. he can't run again. but these folks in the in th

thomas massie. but as you said, the bad news is there's this handful of others who aren't definite yeses yet. this will be interesting. pillow fight or not. lauren fox, thank you very much. and of course, you can watch all of this unfold. we're tracking down each and every vote over the course of the morning. the vote takes place shortly after noon eastern this morning. we have brand new information on the identity of the man who set off an explosion outside of the trump hotel in las vegas. what investigators are now revealing about his possible motive. snow. ice, freezing temperatures and dangerous thunderstorms. a major winter storm slamming parts of the united states. and simone biles says she has accomplished a lot, but does not want to be greedy. does that mean the most decorated gymnast of all time is getting ready to retire? >> kobe believed in himself at the youngest possible age. >> it's one of the most remarkable stories in sports history. >> i don't want to be remembered as just a basketb

thomas massie, congressman voted for you for speak. speaker.ed drama on capitol hill. what is your take about what happened there today and what the message was from them? >> i think the message is from the republican conference, bret, again, thanks for having me, but the message is republicans are unified behind donald trump and the incoming administration. and we're ready to get to work right now on enacting the trump agenda which is exactly what the american people voted for on november 5th. were there people thapghted to be heard? were there people that had things that they wanted our speaker to know were important to them? yes. that is just the way this process works. if you recall two years ago it took 15 and almost a week to get it done. today it was one ballot, one and done and ready it get mary olinger immediately. >> bret: definitely a much different situation. but you know, if you look at the breakdown and that majority and how it sits right now, 219 to 215 and then you are going to lose two more republicans with mike waltz becoming

i said thomas massie. ralph norman, and keith self. we know thomas massie is a definite no. he went in there and the kind of thing that would have to be done, can you get a read if you're watching this as closely as we are, garrett, to see what the reaction is? do you think they will gavel this, and then take another break or start it back up again? >> it's hard to say. i mean, i just watched mike johnson shake hands with both ralph norman and keith self who walked off, it appears toward the front of the chamber. i'm trying to watch my monitor and the door to see if it's likely they're going to exit. you see henry there, the most conservative in the house. self and norman, we do not control the cameras, to the right of the screen, they're talking to the clerks, appear to be requesting paper from the clerk, that is the manner by which they would start the process of changing their vote. again, if you look at sort of the top right of your screen, you see self and norman with a couple of other members. looks like andy ogles who's not really a player in this conversation, standi

right now there is one republican official no vote, that is thomas massie.tiple undecided voters and people who don't want to say how they are voting until they vote actually takes place. joe johnson walked me through what is going on yesterday. watch. >> one day before the election, why are you so excited? people talking through process changes they want and i'm open to that and i think tomorrow will go well. >> johnson has the meeting privately with holdouts one-on-one. that is what we will have to watch closely what kind of changes he agreed to perhaps on the house rules and perhaps committee assignments. yesterday basically came out saying johnson could secure the vote in one single round is to commit to making chip roy a holdout. the chairman of the powerful rules committee and that set a lot of moderates, 200 members would have something to say about that. according to axios morning johnson to not make any promises he cannot keep. don't wind up doing what kevin mccarthy did. the overall since i'm getting foot with talking with lawmakers privately is th

christian: that was the voice of kentucky congressman thomas massie who voted instead for the majorityomas emmer. ralph norman of south carolina and keith self of texas also voted for alternative speakers. the magic number for johnson was 218. he was two short so began a frenzied hour of wheeling and dealing as johnson tried to shift first norman and then sell into the yes column. in the end, it worked. >> the house will be in order. >> mr. norman, johnson. mr. self, johnson. [applause] christian: so johnson wins on the first round. this was the moment in the last few minutes as he was escorted by his fellow congressmen to the dais to begin a second term as house speaker. but the republicans hold the slender rest of margins in the house. not as mild as 2023, nonetheless today's vote will raise concerns about bigger problems ahead. just before we came on air, i spoke to republican congressman tim berdych. initially one of the holdouts. it did look that we were heading for a second round of a vote at the time. you predicted it would go multiple rounds. you did vote for mike johnson in th

and that is representative thomas massie of kentucky. here he is. >> i am the one. >> hell no. >> you know, they say there's up to 5 or 6 who may be voting no. you can count on me to be a no. you can pull all my fingernails out. you can shove bamboo up in them. you can start cutting off my fingers. i am not voting for mike johnson. and that's assuming, of course, and a couple of other republicans to watch really closely this morning. >> representative chip roy, who is a republican from texas, he has been demanding some structural changes to how johnson does business in the house. we are also awaiting whether or not representative victoria spartz would get to yes. on speaker mike johnson. she's another one who says that she wants concrete demands to be answered from the speaker of the house. i should note that earlier this week, donald trump, the incoming president, made clear that he is standing with speaker mike johnson, and that is weighing on some of the remaining holdouts. i talked to representative tim burchett yesterday, who still

i didn't count thomas massie because thomas massie is never going to know. thomas has already said he's not for him and he's not going to. he's a principled guy, and i'm not. >> so we're talking about ralph norman and keith self. do i have that right? >> yeah, i'd say that's right. okay. so i think he'll meet with them individually and and try to get to a point because you see you had so many other holdouts and they were sending a message by passing. >> what was that message. >> i think that they were. >> well, you're one of them. so what? no, ma'am. i didn't know you weren't. you voted yes, i voted for him. >> yes, ma'am. yes. forgive me. that's okay, that's okay. no, i think they just want him to know there's an issue with the freedom caucus, and. and they would like to see chip roy as chairman of of of the rules committee. now, outside of these these walls of congress, i doubt anybody really gives a rip. maybe people in chip's district do, but it's important to them and it's something that they'd like to see. they'd like to see more conservative represent

already one against him thomas massie. we'll follow the action when members gather at noon eastern time. sandra, great to be with you today. >> sandra: you as well. bret will be in for john this afternoon. we'll take you through the drama-filled afternoon on america reports. thank you for joining us. "the faulkner focus" now. >> harris: let's take a live look now. fox news alert as the house floor is briefly opening and we'll adjourn to signify the end of the 118th congress. and now in one hour, the new congress will have a republican majority and will begin with a vote. let's listen. >> the chair lays before the house a communication from the speaker. >> the speaker washington, d.c.,, january 3rd, signed mike johnson, speaker of the house of representatives. >> the prayer will be offered by the chaplain. >> would you pray with me? our help is in the name of the lord, the maker of heaven and earth. you, o god, made the moon to mark the seasons and the sun knows the time of its setting as the 118th congress sets down its la

we know thomas massie is a hard know. there could be a dozen or so republicans who are opposed to mike johnson serving in that top post. it all unfold at noon eastern time right here on c-span. this morning on the "washington journal" we areto live from capitol hill just a few steps away from the capitol dome. we are in one of the house office buildings, the canon rotunda. the bd has gathered. it's getting noisier and busier appear on capital because lawmakers have arrived. their staff, and beatty as i said all watching washington and capitol hill to see what happens with this speaker vote. we are getting your thoughts on the 119th congress, the speaker vote and youres messageo the lawmakers will go to peter who is in massachusetts, and independent caller. go ahead. >> caller: i'm on. am i on? >> host: you are. we're listening to you. >> caller: thanks for having me on. like the previous caller there should be some unity first off to get a good conservative speaker in their in place of my johnson. challenge yourself, seek

thomas massie has been clear for weeks that he was not going to vote for mike johnson. i don't think there's anything he wants. i don't think there's anything johnson can give him. he's the immovable object here, if you will. ralph norman, i think is a is a bit of a mystery here. he's aligned with the house freedom caucus.e's a anti-spending guy. he's been engaged in meetings and conversations with the speaker as recently as yesterday afternoon. i think if there's anyone who mike johnson knows what he wants, it's probably ralph norman. keith's self is a little bit of an x factor. he's a newer member up here. he's not as outspoken. it's not as clear to me what it is that he would want to be moved. the other possibility, kate, here, is that these members, either collectively or individually, wanted to make a point that perhaps they will support johnson on another ballot. but can voting against him, at least on this first ballot, could serve as a reminder how tenuous his majority is and how he is going to have to listen to and perhaps acquiesce to some of these far right m

>> to be clear, thomas massie is the only republican that said. >> that's true. >> no. >> hard no. >> keeping the door open and that's the key part. a that they have not said no and they want to continue to have the conversations with donald trump and with mike johnson to see what they can get out of with -- what johnson will concede ahead of that afternoon vote. but the thing to keep in mind here is if johnson does not become speaker today, that will delay president donald trump's key agenda items that tax package, immigration, and border security policies that he is pushing for that he campaigned on. and republicans recognize that. and also, johnson recognizes as well if he does concede to the conservative members, in the far right members that we heard from, he will risk angering the more center members of his conference. so he is walking a delicate balance tightrope here as he is trying to figure out what to do to make sure to keep the conference together. i was preview into what the rest of the next two years look like. >> i was going to say, this is a microevent for what we are

thomas massie of kentucky has already said he will vote against johnson. ay. >> you can pull all of my fingernails out and shove bamboo up into them. you can start cutting off my fingers. i'm not voting for mike johnson tomorrow and you can take that to the bank. >> definitely a no for johnson. let's get to capitol hill. julie tsirkin is with us. also with us, the former press secretary for paul ryan and our msnbc political analyst. julie, what is the very latest? will massie vote no? >> reporter: what makes you think he is such a hard no, ana? in all seriousness, he's the only no that johnson knows that will not get them into the s column, but there are 12 holdouts that you can see on your screen. they are keeping their cards close to their vest and we will not know how they vote until they are going through the process on the floor. this will be alphabetical which is good for us. we could see names like lauren boebert in the b category. we will see how this will go for johnson if he ends up winning or losing in the first round just because of that. i ment

. >> kentucky congressman thomas massie, a republican, has already said he will not vote for johnson, and several other conservatives have raised concerns. all right. time to break out the new sweaters you might have gotten over the holidays. for much of the country, it's about to get very, very cold. so let's go get more from elisa raffa, our meteorologist. so, alison, tell us how bad it's going to get some of the coldest air of the season so far. >> really starting out 2025 on a very cold note, we have lake effect snow that has been pumping across the great lakes because we have this cold air coming across those relatively warmer waters. we've got winds gusting 40 to 55mph, and those winds are gusting even along the east coast from long island up towards boston. here are those lake effect snow warnings that go through much of the weekend, where we could still get an additional 1 to 2ft of snow off lake erie and ontario. as we continue to pump that colder air. so you can see where it doesn't really stop going into the weekend. we'll continue to get those lake effect snow bands coming

obviously do that, but it could go days could go one vote could be done the on hard vote public thomas massiea no we don't know who he is voting for he is not voting for mike johnson mike can't lose one more member if that does happen we have to go another round, he could do that immediately after the first vote or or brake a break talk to peek voting again him work all a detail then vote again, so it could take days but, again, the certification of the election is on monday we all of us going to be here over the weekend we have reconciliation meeting tomorrow, i just don't anticipate, that a lot of members would have voiced frifgz against johnson going against president trump we have to get in a speaker set we have to get election certified monday so we can start moving forward on president trump's agenda. cheryl: okay, fox news just caught up with speaker johnson, at the capital i want to play this for advisers. >> -- we -- >> all right. so again, voicing his optimism again went the mar-a-lago has support of thep president-elect trump mike johnson says he believes he has the votes. >> well

. >> reporter: kentucky's thomas massie went even further posting to social media that he is a no vote for now. the republican majority is so tight that johnson can only afford the lose one gop member and still get the majority of votes needed to become speaker. >> right now i don't believe he has the votes on friday, and i believe we need to have the conference get together so we can get united. >> reporter: the house cannot vote on anything else until the speaker gets elected. erica brown, cbs news, washington. >>> the u.s. military says its forces conducted a series of strikes against houthi targets in yemen. plumes of smoke rose over yemen's capital city of sanaa on tuesday. the pentagon says it hit facilities used by houthis to attack american warships and commercial vehicles. u.s. central command says houthi targets included a advanced weapons production and storage facilities. >>> straight ahead on "cbs news roundup," our reporters will look ahead to the stories that will be making news in 2025. stay with us. ♪today my friend you did it, you did it♪ pursue a better you with cent

thomas massie, who wasn't a surprise. he voted, keith self. and ralph norman. that doesn't necessarily seem to be a concentrated effort to get someone else in. meanwhile we did see holdouts including chip roy go ahead and vote for johnson. we are keeping an eye on the house floor. we saw mike johnson, a couple of his allies, norman and self go into a room where they probably continued the discussion. technically they could come out of there and say, hey, we would like to change our vote and vote for johnson and johnson would go ahead and lock it down. we could see them come out and ask for a motion to adjourn. that could give johnson more time to figure out a path forward. or they could come out and head into a second roll call vote. it will be up to johnson to decide which direction he wants to go in but we did see a surge of support from johnson about an hour or so ago. johnson tweeted out plan -- at this point, we are still waiting to see exactly what the final outcome here is going to be, if we are going to be moving on to a second roll call vote or if ther

kentucky republican thomas massie opposes johnson saying the speaker is not up for this task. huddled with johnson today. >> are you undecided right now? >> i will make a decision tomorrow. >> lawmakers dread yet another protracted speaker election like two years ago. failing to elect a speaker quickly paralyzes the house. >> republicans as a whole are going to have to put down their ego a little bit and focus on getting the job done. >> the house was frozen for five days two years ago without a speaker. three weeks in october 2023. no speaker prevents congress from certifying president trump's win on january 6th. republicans fear history repeating itself. >> i hope we don't delay and dither selecting a speaker for weeks. >> republican ralph northam is a holdout. he will decide his vote on friday. >> are we here friday night voting on a second round or here saturday morning voting on a third, fourth round. >> all i know a manipulate in politics is a lifetime. see how the votes come out tomorrow. >> here's the breakdown. republicans have 219 votes. the 434 member house begins w

republican congressman thomas massie already came out against johnson. no other republican publicly said they'd vote against the speaker, but some questioned whether johnson will get enough support to stay in power. joining us now, congressional reporter for "the hill," mychael schnell. good morning. good to see you. donald trump, the president-elect, had been content to let johnson sort of twist in the wind for a week or so there after the fight over the continuing resolution, the spending measure. now, he is supporting johnson. talk to us about what sort of difference that might make, and what's the latest you've heard in terms of the whip count, whether there are simply enough votes to get him through. >> hey, jonathan. good morning and happy new year. trump's endorsement did finally come a few days ago, and you're right, president-elect trump was essentially letting johnson twist in the wind after he gummed up that government funding process late last month. his endorsement is helping to shore up some support. we have seen some hard line republicans

already one against him thomas massie.ers gather at noon eastern time. sandra, great to be with you today. >> sandra: you as well. bret will be in for john this afternoon. we'll take you through the drama-filled afternoon on america reports. thank you for joining us. "the faulkner focus" now. >> harris: let's take a live look

. >> the thing that is perplexing to me is for all the criticism of thomas massie he has been the same. is he a fiscal conservative, but, he is supported mccarthy. he got the reforms that he wanted so why can't we have that same process where we are talking about the appropriations committee. going through the budget process. the second being very critical of them bringing things to the floor without the votes. so i had somebody from the office reach out to me and essentially said look, you essentially have members that are saying they are going to vote for something and then when they get on the floor do something totally different. that is catastrophic when democrats bring something to the floor they know they have the votes. don't tell the whip you are going to vote for something if you are not going to vote for it. that's totally destructive to the process. i'm for the committee process. go through it. have the debate about a fiscal spending right now. you have control of all three branches. this is the time to get it done. but don't waste time on a speaker's fight. >> lawrence, ho

you saw thomas massie in the piece there saying he would never vote for johnson. he says he knows who he's going to vote for, and it is a current member of the house, but he has not said who that is just, you know, among speculation, people have said maybe ohio's jim jordan, who is created the freedom caucus. and h heas put up when kevin mccarthy was struggling two years ago. but there's no consensus here on the hill that there's an alternative candidate that would get everyone to coalesce. it's more likely than not that johnson is going to get it. the question is, how long is it going to take a nail biter? all right, chris, thank you. 604 right now, the investigation continues in new orleans after the deadly new year's day terror attack in the french quarter. the man who investigators say plowed into the crowd with a truck was an army veteran employed by deloitte. the attack killed 14 people and injured 30 high school friends of the suspect, shamshuddin jabbar, described him as a quiet student with a bright disposition. it's a far cry from the man police now say

you had thomas massie who voted for tom emmer, the majority whip. keith self voted for byron donalds. and ralph norman voted for jim jordan. what happened there, kind of a dramatic scene on the floor were nancy mace was on the phone, speaker johnson came and talked to self and norman and took them off to a side room and got them on the phone and trump called and said it's time to get going. they came back into the room after quite a delay and they voted for house speaker mike johnson. keith self that he was very frustrated with how the 118th congress went, and you asked that question, that is kind of part and parcel of what it is going to be like during this congress. it is such a narrow majority, edward, for the republicans, that they are going to be able to do all of these things, it is going to be tough because on every single roll call vote you are probably going to have two or three holdout saying i am for 95% of this bill but i want a or b. that's going to be a challenge peer here was the final tally: mike johnson eventually racked up 218 vote

thomas massie of kentucky several days ago said he would absolutely not vote for mike johnson. several other republicans simply would not vote. five of them initially held out and said that they didn't want to. they didn't cast their vote initially. ultimately, they did vote for mike johnson. they put out a letter criticizing his handling of the last congress, although they decided to vote for him in support of. they said advancing the trump agenda. and then two republicans ultimately flipped keith self and ralph norman. they actually voted for different candidates on the floor of the house, but they ultimately voted after a closed door negotiations, discussions with the speaker of the house and a discussion with donald trump himself, who called those two members. i just caught up with keith self, who is one of the two republicans who initially voted against mike johnson. he told me that there was a commitment by the speaker to include members of the hard right house freedom caucus as part of a negotiation of a bill to advance the trump agenda. there's going to be a big bill, t

we have one hard no, thomas massie. think that the speaker race sort of encapsulate his whole tenure as speaker. slim margins. he can only afford to lose another vote at this point. his allies think he will remain speaker. there's no real alternative that anybody has put forward, but the question is, how long does that draw on, does it go back today? we'll have the first ballot around noon and then we'll see where things are. >> that's right, everything starts at noon and we'll see how this shakes out. c-span cameras will be in the chamber before then though, is speaker mike johnson meeting withholdouts? >> yes, he's been making phone calls for two weeks and they had a long break with the holiday and trying to figure out what these folks want. they want process changes, what exactly those changes are, are unclear. they're really upset a lot of the conservatives were upset how he handled the government funding fight right before congress left for christmas break and the new year, so that could be playing a part into it,

he's lost thomas massie. that's it. you can't lose any more. do you think he's going to lose more?don't think so. i think they will probably. i mean, this is my speculation. they'll find out a way for these folks who are ambivalent about johnson to save face, maybe vote present. and that way johnson can ascend. i think there's a very different tolerance in 2023 with democratic senate democratic president. you're not going to get anything of substance done to burning the clock on what's essentially the first 100 days or first hundred and 50 days of a republican trifecta. very different. but that's a that's a practical argument that matt is making. >> but that argument does not usually it doesn't always translate well among some members of the colin gray. >> yeah, i could see people eventually voting for him. i think 1 or 2 votes will go by where they don't make their their point known. but i also think that this is where republicans need to learn how to compromise, right? like they reneged on a deal with the cr and that can really backfire. now, if they need democratic help to get j

. >> that was thomas massie appearing there with matt gaetz. you may remember gaetz was a key figure the last time republicans needed to hang together and elect a house speaker. you might have missed it blinked and you missed it. but that was then congressman mike rogers having to be restrained on the house floor. that was back when kevin mccarthy was struggling to win the gavel. rogers appeared to be going after gaetz there. mccarthy, during his fight to become speaker, made a number of promises to his fellow members to win the votes. those promises, though, ultimately cost him his job. just months later. johnson is reportedly not making that same mistake, not making those same types of commitments. he's still hoping that this afternoon will go his way with relative ease. >> we're going to get this done. look, i'm humbled and honored to have president trump's endorsement for the role again, as well as the endorsement of leaders across the conservative spectrum and the republican party. all of my colleagues that are that are standing with us an

. >> bret: thomas massie on the floor talking to debbie dingell from michigan, democrat. our viewers may be familiar with. as you kind of pan the cameras, c-span allowed to use cameras inside the floor, catching some of these backroom, back chamber conversations that are ongoing, and we are told they continue to go on. bring back in mollie hemingway periods former speaker newt gingrich said a short time ago, contrarians done from america. trump does. there is a battle here about a message and foot this message is. we talked earlier. to speaker gingrich's point, what do you say? >> that is the mood of many republicans in the country. they would like to see the house, senate, and white house all work together to do really dramatic action to help the country. it is also true, though, we are acting like congress is this august institution. it has a favorability rating of what, like 17%? americans are extremely frustrated with congress, not just a bloated spending, but also how they have turned over all of their work to the administrative state. they are completely unaccountab

thomas massie was willing to still vote against mike johnson despite the fact that trump said that he was the one he wanted for speaker. so you are going to see these conservative voices continue to have power in one of their biggest things is spending cuts. it is going to be a key thing to watch. however, there is a chance that some of these republicans are going to feel more comfortable falling in line with trump. republicans are going to be even more willing to push back and not let things go through. there is a chance we see more cohesion working together when trump is the one calling the shots. host: three republicans, to members getting private meetings behind closed doors that every vote is going to cap for mike johnson. guest: making sure everyone is in attendance will count. if you are missing one person for other reasons, that is going to completely ruin the chances of getting legislation passed. mike johnson has been you'd to give more insight into the bills, more time to look at legislation to make sure it goes to rules and not avoiding the rules committee and getting demo

thomas massie of kentucky has said he ill not be voting for mike johnson today.nson oes have the endorsement of president-elect trump. and, on thursday, he held a meeting with some republican hold outs. he stressed how important it is to elect a speaker quickly so congress keeps working and certifies the election results. >>> at least two people were killed, and 19 others injured, after a small plane crashed into the roof of a furniture manufacturing building near los angeles. according to our nbc station in l.a., the two deceased are believed to have been inside the aircraft, but it's unclear how many were on board. officials say the plane was coming in for a landing shortly after it took off from the fullerton municipal airport when it crashed 200 yards from the airport. the faa and ntsb are investigating. >>> it is a snowy start to the year for parts of the country. nbc meteorologist angie lassman is tracking the winter alert. hi, angie. >> we've got plenty of winter alerts because of a couple different systems we're 40 million people across the northeast stre

thomas massie, one of the biggest fiscal hawks in congress, he threatened to oustjohnson last year over. he never followed through on that threat. but after pre—christmas government funding, negotiations looked pretty sour forjohnson. he, of course, ended up coming to a solution that ended up funding the government through mid—march. but there are a lot of frustrations with the length of the initial bill and the costly provisions and a bipartisan deal with democrats. and, of course, the second attempt, at the urging of trump, johnson tried to muscle through a debt limit extension, which infuriated fiscal hawks even more so, as you mentioned, a lot of hardliners in addition to massie. it's unclear what the vote will look like today, but a lot of hardliners are really hoping for promises for spending cuts and payfors in legislation this cycle if they want to give him the gavel. they want the spending reigned in, is it down to horse trading or will it be trickier than that, more fundamental? it will it be trickier than that, more fundamental?- will it be trickier than that, more fundamenta

it's the rest that need to worry about if people are trying to figure out who thomas massie is. e this isn't rare for him. and two, there's this great profile of him in the wall street journal where it says in part, massie waves off the political risks. he survived attacks by trump in his own party before his wife of three decades died last year. massie says, quote, i don't know how to say this without cussing. if they thought i had no f's to give before, i definitely have no f's to give now. is massie a symptom of something broader, or is he just massie? >> well. see also last month when you heard there, mike johnson mentioned palace drama. well, he experienced that when they were dealing with the impending government shutdown and the spending bills. and that is what it looks like under a trump administration, which is what he is going to experience, which is by one tweet by elon musk, everything sort of tanked that they had worked on. so the next 24 hours, i think are going to be pretty critical to see how republicans either get behind trump's endorsement or not. if trump chang

thomas massie for instance ha said unequocally he is not voting for johnson. a lot of the opposition comes from how johnson originally negotiated with democrats over the continuing resolution in december to keep theovernment open. a lot of republicans, including e who was on the fence for johnson's reelection, but lawmakers including republican wmakers think johnson essentially folded to democrats in the first eition, which had a lot of democrat wish list items, that was not the version of the continuing resoluti that passed. but it left a bitter taste in a lot of repubcans' mouths, so there are a couple who are either on the fence, or have said we will not vote for johnson. it could be as little -- johnson can't afford to lose more than two votes. there has been, punch ball news for instance, reported tt donald trump has been in contact with chip roy because it is roy and massey who are kind of the wildcards. massey at this point does not seem le he will budge. but roy is at this point, he could be one of the deciding votes. so, it'really uncertain how it's g

he cannot afford to lose more than one republican, and representative thomas massie of kentucky has said publicly he is not supporting johnson. >> he doesn't have my vote. >> so you won't vote for him. >> he does not have my vote. >> will you change your mind? >> i would take a christmas miracle. >> johnson does not appear to have the support of majority of his party, and has the endorsement of president elect trump. all right. our next adventure involves the possible release from prison of eric and lyle menendez. the brothers were convicted of killing their parents in the high profile murder case almost 30 years ago now. tomorrow, several family members pushing for the brothers to be resentenced. we'll meet the newly elected los angeles county district attorney. the prior da asked a judge to sentence the brothers after the election. the new da said he needed to review the case. next, in the advancer, a hearing is set for tomorrow to consider a motion to release former san francisco 40 niners dana stubblefield from prison. the hearing comes a week after a state appeals court overturned s

kentucky's thomas massie, south carolina's ralph norman, and texas' keith self, who opposed some of thege spending bills johnson asked to avoid government shutdowns last year, voted for someone else first. president-elect donald trump who endorsed johnson intervened and called two of the defectors peered norman and self then switched their votes to put johnson over the top. >> what did the president say to you? >> i'm not going to divulge my conversation with the president. we needed more input from members like myself, not a chairman, not in a leadership position. and i think that is what we have done. >> we got together. mike gave us his assurances he's going to fight for thing supported to the country. and was it worth taking another hour? yes. >> reporter: for johnson, tougher sliding lies ahead. the house must raise the nation's borrowing limit in the coming months and avert another government shutdown in march to keep trump's presidency from being derailed. but he might need democrats to help if johnson again suffers defections. meanwhile, republicans officially took charge of the

thomas massie of kentucky making it clear he was a firm no. what does it say if you lose on the first ballot, mr. speaker? >> it says nothing, it's part of the process. >> reporter: but the speaker did have the support of president-elect donald trump, who said a win for johnson would be a big affirmation for his presidency and a big win for the republican party. at least 17 republicans, though, on the fence despite trump's endorsement. just before 1:00 p.m., the clerk calling the roll. massie, as expected, voting against the speaker. >> massie? >> reporter: republicans ralph norman of south carolina and keith self following suit. johnson appearing to not have enough votes, huddling with supporters. the speaker then making a personal appeal, taking keith self to a private room off the house floor. other republicans working the phones, including president-elect trump, who we've learned directly spoke with the two key republicans, urging them to get in line and back johnson. self telling us they had a lively discussion. the speaker then returning

he cannot afford to lose more than one republican, and representative thomas massie of kentucky has said publicly he is not supporting johnson. >> he doesn't have my vote. >> so you won't vote for him. >> he does not have my vote. >> will you change your mind? >> i would take a christmas miracle. >> johnson does not appear to have the support of majority of his party, and has the endorsement of president elect trump. all right. our next adventure involves the possible release from prison of eric and lyle menendez. the brothers were convicted of killing their parents in the high profile murder case almost 30 years ago now. tomorrow, several family members pushing for the brothers to be resentenced. we'll meet the newly elected los angeles county district attorney. the prior da asked a judge to sentence the brothers after the election. the new da said he needed to review the case. next, in the advancer, a hearing is set for tomorrow to consider a motion to release former san francisco 40 niners dana stubblefield from prison. the hearing comes a week after a state appeals court overturned s

and mike johnson has lost the vote of republican thomas massie. he plans to vote against handing the gavel back to johnson. a a step that puts him cross wise with gop colleagues. massie survived attacks by trump. and his own party before. his wife of three decades died last year. i don't know how to say this without cussing massie said. if they thought i had no fs to give before, i definitely have no fs to give now. and the hill is reporting that republican representative victoria spartz is not yet ready to vote for mike johnson. she told reporters she could make her decision tomorrow. this is what she told steve bannon on tuesday. >> i don't trust him that he is going to deliver. he has been a speaker every time he folded to the swamp. >> still with us, congressman eric swalwell. congressman, i'm so struck by the difference between the democrats. no democratic speaker in the history of the house has ever had to beg a democratic president to help him or her get elected. no democratic speaker of the house's election has ever been in doubt, in fact,

at least one congressman thomas massie said he will not vote for johnson saying he's not equipped to be speaker. a handful of other republicans say they are undecided. it may go smoothly and johnson wins but given the level of dysfunction we have seen from this caucus, it could all go horribly wrong for johnson and trump tomorrow which wouldn't be anything new. if famously took 15 rounds of vote to get johnson's predecessor kevin mccarthy elected two years ago and he was ousted less than a year later and it took three weeks of republican infighting before they gave mike johnson the job. the speaker election gets way under noon tomorrow. if johnson does not get the votes, it won't just be a humiliation but it could delay the official certification of trump's election victory on january 6. the senior national political reporter for nbc news and he joins me now. set the scene of the with count. my understanding is as of tomorrow there will be 219 republicans and 215 democrats? is that red ? >> you are correct. this speaker race is too close to call. johnson will have 219 republican memb

we know at least one republican, thomas massie, who won't back johnson.e x post explaining his decision, massie criticized johnson's leadership. johnson, quote demonstrated that he won't tell the president what is achievable and not achievable in the house. he looks situational awareness himself to know what can pass and what cannot. now about a dozen other lawmakers have concerns about johnson and said they are undecided. many of them, including victoria sparks have concerns about the size of the debt. she said in a statement, quote, we must have a vision and concrete plan to deliver on president trump's plan despite countless discussions and public promises. it is not clear who else besides johnson would win the speaker's gavel. johnson needs to win a majority of all those who vote for a person, members can vote present. that changes the math. that's why we have a range of republicans here. with 219 republicans and 215 democrats, even a few lawmakers can really stall the process and, of course, frank, from last time, nothing can get done until we get a

there is a difference between thomas massie.ightly different ideology than d mcdonald taken taken. they represent different districts but hohof w do you get them to stay in the wheelbarrow with such a narrow majority? >> talk about nero majority, trey. when symphonic and mike waltz resigned to go into the trump administration and with gate seat notd being filled. we cannot lose one single vote. if it is going to be a republican partisan vote, we cannot lose a single vote. we have to be 100% united. it was difficult when trump was present at the first time.t ti you were in congress and we had dozens of seat majority.ajor we still had a difficult time. now, we can't lose any. when you talk about the debt ceiling, what you have to you understand the federal government is spending so much more money every day that it takes in even if we enact these. cuts and doge is successful andc we are able to cut one to $2 trillion, which is a huge goal to try to achieve, that is going to be over time. over 1-10 years. this debt ceiling is going

thomas massie, ralph norman and keith self. which left johnson two votes shy of victory. then he huddled with represents norman and self. punch bowl news was first to report during that meeting, donald trump got on the phone with the two hold-outs and lobbied them to change their votes. which they promptly did giving mike johnson just enough support to remain speaker of the house. speaker johnson was asked about trump's role in helping him remain speaker. >> how was trump's support? >> president trump is the most powerful, certainly the most powerful president of the modern era. maybe in all of american history. and his voice and influence is singular importance. >> the answer was trump is the most powerful president in american history. it is clear that mike johnson will do all he can in the hopes of staying in the erratic president-elect's good graces. trump sees loyalty as a one way street. trump has demonstrated time and time again he will happily throw his own endorsed speaker of the house under the bus when it suits him so mike johnson remains speaker of the house f

there's a difference between thomas massie with a slightly different ideology then don bacon, they representrent districts. how will you get all of the frogs to stay in the wheelbarrow get these things done with a narrow majority. talking about a narrow majority. gwen stefani can walz resign to go into the trump administration and they. >> gate c still not being filled we cannot lose one vote. it's good to be republican partisan vote we cannot lose a single vote. we have to be one 100% united and it was difficult when trump was president the first time. you were in congress and we had dozen or so seat majority and we still had a difficult time, now we can't lose any. when you talk about the debt ceiling, what people often understand the federal government is spending more money every day then it takes in. a beautifully enact these cuts in dojo successful and were able to cut one to $2 trillion which is a huge goal to try to achieve. that is going to be over time, one to ten years in the debt ceiling is going to camp. if we want to keep the bond markets in line and not have to see a spike in

so far there is one republican hold-out thomas massie.r republicans who have said they are undecided. some weren't too happy with speaker johnson last month when the spending bill drama was going on. are you worried there could be some late surprises that come in later today? >> you know, i wouldn't use the word worried. i'm hopeful there is not any late surprises. i know that speaker johnson has been working tirelessly over the holidays and over the last few days talking with these members, having conversations with these members that have concerns, that have issues, that want to see change. i don't -- you know, i really don't think it is going to be that messy. my hope is that we get it done on the first round so we can deliver the agenda that president trump and the republicans have set forth that the american people have demanded. >> bill: can anyone other than mike johnson get to 218 vote in your opinion? >> absolutely not. i just don't see. like you said, one vote. that's really difficult to do. i don't see anyone other than mike wh

this, is one of the arguments, and this is what we saw play out last week, is the chip roys and thomas massies are against one, big, beautiful bill on anything. they'd be against two of them. the reality for the republican majority is, as you're trying to do these things and told leadership has to change, those members don't want to change. they want to go through this process still voting no against every appropriations bill and so forth, and just somehow think leadership will bend to them. this is where trump is going to have to weigh in, too. if this is donald trump's republican party, it's also his republican majority. he's not going to just have to make statements and speeches. he'll have to work the phones on this a lot. >> we can look back at this a year from now, and yesterday could have been one of the most important days of the trump presidency. the thing is, they are now putting this -- like, first, we have april. you always pick the over on how long a bill is going to make its way through congress. >> yes. >> by making it bigger, it is going to delay this process. a lot of people o