he's got a book out now with one of the largest evangelical publishers in the united states with thomas nelsonomosexuality should be regulated and even compares it to things like salt and cigarettes and transfats and points to thomas jefferson who he claims, and i can find this nowhere on the internet or in any books, but says he authored a bill that would punish sodomy by castration. so i think that it's time that the mainstream christians who are out of step with this guy stop listening to the leaders who are in step with them. >> let's talk about this notion of loving the sinners but hating the sin. because for worley at least we hear a lot more hating, not much of the love. is this whole thing really just a facade? >> i don't know that i can judge his heart. i don't know that i can say it's a facade or that there's some sort of loaded motive. i can only take him at his word. what i do think is that we do a lot more hating as christians in america than we do loving anyone, so that can be frustrating. especially when it comes to this conversation. i believe i'm a part of a new generation of