and thomas nickerson had this guest house.it's on north water street and has -- is part of the harbor house complex. there's the pollard house there on center street. and, you know, it's just amazing. you can go to, you know, the cemetery and, you know, there's all these -- the owen chase's grave is there. and i had a remarkable opportunity to take two of owen chase's descendents, a sister and brother, to owen chase's grave, even before the book came out. and they have his portrait that is now here. >> it's on loan here. >> on loan here. and so, you know, it -- it sort of brought home to me, you know, this is a local story. you know, this is local history, in one sense for me, but one of the aims i had one "the heart of the sea" was to take what i had learned as local history in my book about nantucket "a way of shore" and try to make it more universal, to really focus on this as an endurance situation as, you know, what happens to people in the worst of situations. i wanted to not make it just another whaling story but someth

the house thomas nickerson was in, was then a guest house. nantucketers no longer hunted whales at this point. they fished for tourists and he hadded a guest house that's now part of the north water street is part of the harbor house. complex. the pollard house on center street. and it's amazing. owen chase's grave is there. i had a chance to take two of his descendants. and so, it sort of brought home to me, this is a local story. this is local history. and one sense for me, but one of the aims i had within the heart of the sea was to take what i learned as local history in my book about nantucket, away up shore and try to make it more universal, to really focus on this as an endurance situation. as what happens to people in the worst of situations. i wanted to make it not just another whaling story but if you grew up and never seen the sea, you might be drawn into the human element. and that's what it is. er for it's really the human element. if we don't engage emotionally t doesn't mean anything to us. >> we've been talking now for about 5