and it was, thomas payne. the soldiers liked him. he soldiered beside him in the campaign. they call him the common sense man. and as they were -- in their camps, running, retreating in new jersey, he decided it was time to write another, another pamphlet called american crisis. this one was about the time has try men's souls. it was truly so. this was one of the first literate armies in history. they read these -- these writings of thomas payne. and it helped to remind them of that cause. and of its importance. even if they weren't all of one mind of what it meant. washington led his forces across the delaware. gathering all the boats as he crossed. and then he begin to try to -- reorganize the army. to try to undertake -- to invent a new way of leadership. he wrote back home. he said he discovered something with these new england men. he said he discovered, quoting from, from him. he said, people, unaccustomed to restraint, cannot be drove they must be led. quote, unquote. so he undertook a way to invent a leading. first thing he did was work with counsels of war they had

it was thomas payne. he soldiered beside them in that campaign. they called him the common sense man. and as they were in their camps retreating in new jersey, he decided that it was time to write another pamphlet called "the american crisis." this was the one about the times that try men's soul. it was truly so. and this was one of the first literate armies in history. they read these writings of thomas payne and it helped to remind them of that cause. and of its importance. even as they weren't all of one mind as to what it meant. so washington led his forces across the delaware, gathering all the boats as he crossed, and then he began to try to reorganize the army to try to undertake and invent a new way of leadership. he wrote back home. he said he discovered something with these new england men. he said he discovered "people unaccustomed to restraint cannot be drove. they must be led." and so he undertook to invent a way of leading. the first thing he did was to work with his counsels of war. they had been very difficult bodies before. this w

as we left i was saying when we came back we were going to talk briefly about thomas payne and edmund burke. what's the difference? are they the same, are they different? is it the same philosophy? please. >> i think one of the fundamental differences between payne and burke is if you get back to like the aristotle position that men are political animals they would differ on that, that's why payne believes that if governments have to have the you know, reame

as we left i was saying when we came back we were going to talk briefly about thomas payne and edmund burke. what's the difference? are they the same, are they different? is it the same philosophy? please. >> i think one of the fundamental differences between payne and burke is if you get back to like the aristotle position that men are political animals they would differ on that, that's why payne believes that if governments have to have the you know, reaffirmed consent of each citizen. because that government is not natural where burke is more okay with a monarchy because he believes that you have to have a government for the citizens. >> you want to comment on that? >> not bad. probably maybe gives payne a little more credit for organization than i would, but -- good. >> a lot of people talk about payne and -- sorry, about burke, and they try to figure out where he got a lot of his ideas and views from. and we had some readings of blackstone and some people would say some of the burke thought evolution is of blackstone. black stone is for all intents and purposes the major legal th

and then goes on to quote thomas payne. the world is my country. all man kind to do good is my religion. finally a quote from an album. a thousand words will not leave as much an impression as one deed. when you look at all that, i understand why he's doing this. i understand wipe he needs money. i understand why he should be entitled to raise funds. but he's almost behaving like a celebrity now. what was your take on it? >> well, you know, he doesn't have photographs or videos of a child to sell like casey anthony did to raise money for her defense. so i understand why he needs to go out and try to raise money this way. it does seem that he is trying to play into the celebrity aspects of this case. you know, he's -- in the anthony case jose baiz did much of this. we won't be hearing the stories change throughout the case like we did with mr. baez. and trying to get them to help him. [ overlapping speakers ] >> very quickly. alan, your reaction? >> i would tell him to keep your mouth shut. everything you say or that as attributable to you that your

i said, that's not the spirit that thomas payne spoke about. the press said this must be what happened. and yet, the next saturday that i was going south of madison to a parking lot about four mild south of town, where some of my friends decided to come in from around the state and ride back to the capitol. now, as many of you know "the new york times" does not rave until several days later and the farmers were not aware the struggle was over. and so i go home, forget it, the struggle is over according to the press. imagine riding a tractor and thought, okay. in wisconsin, from midnight until 3:00 a.m. and then had driven the tractors seven hours from kolb into madison. [applause] >> how do you tell a guy, you can't -- and so let's usee how this plays out. so the tractors started rolling towards the capitol, and wisconsinites, tractors do not move exceptionally fast. but they got to the first corner, and there was a kid with a sign that said, thank you, farmers. and at that point i thought, in addition to farmers, something forgot to tell the k

it included pictures, quotes from historical leaders like thomas payne and a page for donations via paypal. zimmerman's attorney mark o'mara who did not represent him when the page was initially set up, said on cnn late thursday zimmerman raised more than $200,000 on his web page. a spokesman for trayvon martin's family tells nbc news the family is distressed to learn zimmerman claims he was indigent when he clearly has means. zimmerman's $150,000 bond was set by the judge based on his limited estimated wealth. he has about $205,000. now his defense attorney, mark o'mara revealed this amount of money on that interview on cnn and says that he will tell the court about the money. he said that the money has been placed in an account that can't be accessed by george zimmerman or the family, and he will reveal to the judge at a hearing that was already planned today. that hearing, ann, is to discuss whether the public documents will be made public, or whether they will be held in some sort of gag order which at least we hear the state may request at a hearing today. >> it sounds like the judge

web site with some of the quotes that have been placed on there, from american patriots like thomas pain -- payne and others, and at the end of the day, even that web site is evolving because there are some pictures that were on there that have been removed. george zimmerman, who was not charged with anything, who remains free in the community, now no longer has any lawyers. >> all right, kerry, thanks very much. we'll take a break and be back right after this. carfirmation. only hertz gives you a carfirmation. hey, this is challenger. i'll be waiting for you in stall 5. it confirms your reservation and the location your car is in, the moment you land. it's just another way you'll be traveling at the speed of hertz. ♪ spread a little love my way [ female announcer ] philadelphia cooking creme. a simple way to make dinner fresh and new again. creamy philadelphia along with savory herbs and spices. just stir it in. ♪ now it only takes a moment to make the moment. ♪ spread a little joy and see ♪ need a little happiness to be ♪ ♪ living the life with me ♪ to put more giddy-up in our get-along. it's t