thomas pen are to contribute to to discuss this further, thomas is a german press of this time myers says, europe should not be quote, a deer caught in the headlines. can you explain that comparison to us? and what role will europe actually have in global affairs over the coming years? you think hey, it's good to be with you again. um, it's an interesting statement by as time my dear calling to headlight. i mean, i think it's, it's way off the mark if you or if it's really a dear that's been basically run over by the, you know, at the semi truck and there's no road killed on the side of the road. and in the comparison is, uh, i mean, europe did this to itself. um they had the chance years ago, especially at the financial crisis in 2008. and they decided to pursue this path to notice the cheap, cheaper easy money policy. you can find that with the, you know, what's, what's taking place in ukraine since the 2020, to the sanctions, even pause the way they've stood by and watched their own critical infrastructure energy infrastructure be destroyed. and they really have no one to blame here but, but themselves. and if i don't think it's something that that's fixable and that'd be a deer caught in headlights, it's way too late for that. yeah. and the end of this comes, as all actual has called the bonus, started to classify the ukraine conflict as an emergency for germany following the trump putting a phone call. what's the timing here? and why is the chance for calling for such a drastic action? i think that's really a crazy. i mean what's taking place over here? you've got trump, now he's got everybody sold round up. he's like the puppet master, and these people are most running around in circles. i think it's just a reaction. the bi sholtes, an over reaction bruship, you know, poses no real threat. the german and i think that's, that's what you're seeing in, in europe now across the board is just that people are totally smart like a, like a shock and awe thing. the trump of just unleashed on them and they just don't know which way to go. um, i think that's uh, you know, the primary cause of, you know, the actions we seen by the chancellor schultz. yeah. when you talk about an over reaction, it was just a phone call and initial phone call anyway. but this article that all of schultz refers to describe the situation where there is an attack or threat of an attack on german territory. when it's schultz equaling equating a crane to german territory, but honestly, i don't even know what he's trying to do there. um, let's be honest, a kid of the did the german army can project no power? it couldn't even defend bro in to, to be. i mean, quite frank about it. i really don't know what you mean. i think these people in europe, especially in germany, they, they've, they've enjoyed this kind of and a bubble that they have, they've, they've kind of grown up inside of and so far removed from, from reality, especially in maryland. and the politicians here they, they just have smith lost total grasp of, of reality of you know, what's happening in the real world. so yeah, i mean it's, it's just crazy what's, what's going on here. yeah. chris, han deed, another interesting take away. um has the nato secretary general margarita, a timing that ukrainian membership of nate or nato was never actually officially promised. i want to play a clip for you and our viewers of what margaret had to say. i mean, 8 months ago you had a stomach in washington, dc is 32 allies, agreed, and i know you know these words, but i'll read them to you. we will continue to support ukraine, irreversible cost to full euro, atlantic integration, including native men, which does nato still stand by. those words were in those as line. so it says that a to be part of a peace deal. now there's never been before and not even in that portion, some of the statements. they've been a pc. what would be done on your brain that's in that piece or to be natal things for this month. many things are part of, of these deals are be made. so uh, but it is never been promised to say do you read anything into what mark route i had to say there is, is this a changing narrative as he facing reality now? he, i mean, he works for washington and clearly in the, in the clip you play, the, the promise was made to, you know, it support ukraine is pursuit of, you know, nato membership. and as long as it takes basically is, what is what they said. and now he reverses himself back to what i said early. i mean, trump just has these people, you know, running around in circles it's, it's kind of funny to actually observe it. i mean, after, after all these years of not being worked for i r t for so long and we've just been attacked relentlessly. and we basically pursued these, these uh, you know, troops and attacked and just threatened and bank accounts closed. and they also for these things and it's amazing to listen to just to watch it now to watch these people be spun around like this. um, that's what i would read into at that mark wrote that has no saying anything whatsoever. he works for washington. his puppet of washington, and that's basically the whole just of it. all right, regularly with their thomas pen r t contributor thomas. thank you. thanks for having in a conference. germans, provocative comments about by doing buying gas from moscow, failed to get the desired reaction from the chinese foreign minister who chose to underscore his country's comprehensive partnership with russia and response today. and resar has become what's um, john mccain. uh, once the site is here at the munich secuity conference, china gas station, i would add, it's a gas station with, with an army. and this means you have a, you have a lot of an influence on, on, on ukraine. do you see a possibility now that there is more pressure and finally more pressure to finish this or that form from your end to? so let me assure you, headed out on quote, china and russia are 2 neighbors with a long borderline in the past. are relations have gone through twists and turns, and then the 2 sides drew on those lessons and decided against confrontation or targeting any 3rd country. and based on our mutual trust, we have