also claimed that she was the victim of a disinformation campaign run by former hp board member thomas perkins. the focus on her started, she says, after the investigation identified board member and nuclear physicist jay keyworth as the source of many of the leaks. another board member, tom perkins, she says, wanted to keep that secret from the full board. >> well, they were best friends. they were allies on the board, and i think he thought it was a possibility that the board would say the leaker should resign. he just didn't want that outcome. >> i don't understand how you have an investigation and there's even a discussion of not revealing who the culprit is. >> what tom believed was that we would simply tell the leaker never to do it again, then we would inform the board that we had identified the leaker, that he had confessed and agreed he would never do it again. "next item on the agenda." >> we couldn't reach tom perkins, since he is out to sea on his new boat, said to be the largest and most expensive private sailboat ever built. he's a founding partner of the venture capital firm kle

thomas. rub your eyes. here he is. tony perkins in a couple of hours early this morning. >> yes, indeed. >> screwed up your mcdonald's republican, right? >> yes, it did. did not get to stop and get that fruit and yogurt parfait. >> come on. that is not what you get. >> it is. i've turned a corner. trying to be more healthy. if you are going to get out running this morning, be ready for some fog and maybe a couple showers here and there. to our north, we are seeing some rain. let's start by taking a look at reagan national airport where it is dry. 64degrees at reagan national. it is humid. relative humidity is up there at 87%. your winds are light out of the east. we do have rain up to our north, not here in washington but to the north. we've had it right around frederick, maryland. just to the west of columbia and some of us will be pushing into columbia, maryland starting to inch its way down into gaithersburg and there is some lightning with this and some heavy rain. also off to the east, not thunderstorm activity but some rain s

thomas. it was kind of soupy to me. >> it is. it is starting already. tony perkins in right now to give us the latest on the forecast. turn will be here in a little while. good to see you. >> think a lot of people are rubbing their eyes going, what, it is a little early for mr. perkins. >> it is a little soupy out there. we've had warmer temperatures than we've had at this time of the morning in the last few days actually few rain showers as well and a little bit of fog. let's take a look at hd radar and we'll show you what is going on out there. we don't have a lot in the way of rain. we do have some shower activity, even some thunderstorm activity up to the north, north of gaithersburg, around frederick, maryland, moving to the south-southeast. there is some lightning indicated with this. some thunderstorm activity to the north. also along 95 between washington and baltimore, we are seeing a little heavy rain there as well. we can't rule out a couple of showers or thunderstorms here and there during the course of the day today. mostly dry day but maybe a few more

thomas jefferson and in a civil era it's martin luther king and there's so many important people to get blotted out. but i'm also uncomfortable with that because people are always comparing ehlers about frances perkins and they both were interested in social work, they were both progressives, they both have followed the into this and they're the comparison stops. they've different lives, and for training estimate different burdens and different roles. when you are on fdr's team, you played a role. frances perkins was an offensive linemen she only got her name called when she was charged with holding the three bridges, things like that. she was on the left, there to take hits and three blocks. [laughter] and occasionally she catches a touchdown pass. everybody played a role so it isn't fair to compare. it's more fair to compare some one who was a brilliant the eurocrat in the wave of frances perkins was sent to the he was a brilliant publicist in the way that frances perkins wasn't so we need to get francis and eleanor out of the same room because they are different. [laughter] >> first is a great point. this two things i'd like to say. first i talked about the friction between eleanor roosevelt and