we heard from independent journals to thomas roper, who previously visited on bus territories once occupied by ukrainian troops. and he says that it is obvious, the uncontrolled supply of weapons to kill if is a threat to european secured i, you just have to follow the american media. when you see that there were hearings already and congress on when the pentagon was forced to say yes, that they don't have any control about the weapons after they crossed the ukrainian border. in the u. s. and the pentagon, they're talking about a black hole. the ukraine is one of the most corrupt countries, which is also no surprise and most secret, and they sending weapons that without any control it's, it's, it's clear that at least part of these weapons will come to the black market. but this is nothing you of the west did the same in iraq and syria, and later on they had to say, yeah, well, these weapons, nearly all of these weapons came to the i s to these that make state. it's a political wish of the west to support the ukraine against russia, and they do that on any cost. and looking at the 200000000

thomas roper, thank you very much for joining is on the program. and now do you think that this, that must surrender ukrainian trips might be the point that we see the we start of piece talks? well, the source is nothing which is decided in key. if we have to be honest and seriously, this is a decision which is greater washington than what this was an impression to washington. i don't know. the question is, from my point of view, what this is doing to the moral of the credit troops in general. busy is the elite, the elite of the elite s this understand the as of when they saw that, what does this do to the regular? so just a few of them are russian calling it an official surrender of ukrainian troops on the other stall and still works while p f and some other western media outlets. calling it an evacuation will steal reaction to, to the spin on the story. this is obvious, this noise recreation, immigration would mean that they, that key of sense buses and russia. this part of the bus is through the jumping to the bus and go on the key of to that. s

my colleague nikki, are and discuss the latest developments in the war with journalist and also thomas roper who's recently been in the dorm bus. as usual, we have 2 different exertions as the events russia is referring to ukrainian soldiers leaving as of sol as a surrender. while western media are referring to it as an evacuation. why do we have the, the 2 narratives here? this is the old game of war, propaganda. look at the facts and if you can, if occasion would mean that you create insight sends buses, they're jumping to the buses and go on ukrainian control territory. this will be never changed, right? we have nothing. we have who is surrender, and they're jumping into buses and going in prison and internet's so there is no, no discussion about the question, whether it's a surrender. the problem is that the west, once to look the things successful for you, when i can say i was in the headquarters of as of right now several days ago in merkel. and i have seen all the attributes that i'm list if this is not near nazi, i don't know what they were hitler icons they were. but the books mind

we discussed the latest developments in the war with independent german journalist and author, thomas roper, who has recently been in the dumbass. every case would mean that the ukrainian side sends buses, they're jumping to the buses and go on ukrainian control territory. this will be never changed, right? we have nothing. we have who is surrender, and they're jumping into buses and going in prison and internet's so there is no discussion about the question, whether it's a surrender. the problem is that the west, once to look the things successful for you, when i can say i was in the headquarters of as of right now several days ago in mary opal. and i have seen all the attributes there. and this, if this is not near nancy, i don't know what they were hitler icons they were. but the books mind comes there were so many things which absolutely clear what they are the west. well, i think they will just tell it because of the night when i was in rural and i had time to talk to people only already a month ago. so and they just came out of the streets again. and i asked all the people to get an i

the latest developments in the wall with journalist, the author, thomas roper, has recently been in the dumbass. i was in reopen and i had time to talk to people on it already a month ago. so, and the just came out on the streets again. and i asked for the people to get an impression and them something that can summarize. so the 1st thing is when i ask them of the behavior of soldiers, nobody complains about russian soldiers. i was, well, if somebody should say something, but no complaints or comments with russian soldiers, but many complaints of ukrainian soldiers. this was the general picture i got um and yes uh, people told me and i have this on video. they told me that they will help as of in the, in the house is right in the, in the, in the sellers why, of the, as of, for sitting upstairs and fighting. so they were you really human shields for the as if and they told me themselves and they weren't, weren't allowed to leave. the sellers who tried was shot and i talked to a man who just just escaped and, and, and then his conditions. so these are things that are happening there, and