we have thomas sanderson on the phone, the director for strategic and international studies. yes plenty experience in that he has plenty of experience investigating -- he has plenty of experience investigating international terrorism. they are gathering as much evidence as they can. reviewing security camera footage of the clubs, restaurants, the streets. that is already beginning to unfold. they will learn a lot by daybreak i'm sure. alix: what is the process for something like this? where does it start and how long does it go for? what is the first thing? thomas: that the police are doing? they are going to gather any video footage of what is going on. they will look at any of the people that were subject to high intensity ongoing surveillance because he certainly have some modee in such a targeting at this point. they will also look at people who may have made postings on facebook, twitter or otherwise suggesting they were going to be part of an attack or celebrating the attack to determine if they are still active units in the vicinity. i guarantee you there are several p

. >> all right, thomas sanderson, good to have you with us, sir.>> we have some breaking news that we are just processing here this afternoon. i want to tell you what we know right now, but warn you that this information is just coming into us. it's very preliminary, this is all happening in paris, france. paris police confirming several incidents have occurred tonight. an hour ago, there was a shooting involving a paris restaurant in which several people have apparently been shot. that's in a restaurant in paris. another shooting is taking place live on television. police say there's another incident near the soccer stadium. the associated press is reporting an explosion in a bar near a paris stadium, and a shoot-out in a paris restaurant. it's unclear whether some of these reports are referring to the same incidents or different incidents. you'll understand that we're just getting this information in as fast as we can. the associated press also reporting two police officials confirmed the shooting, but had no information about casualties. one of

also washington director of the transit national threat project thomas sanderson.hift, let me start with you in terms of any new intelligence on information we received over night about the month peshl death of jihadi john. >> mika as you were commenting earlier, we don't have the ability to access the site and we're not going to likely get dna here. we're going to be listening to what the jihadis are saying about themselves and about the strike to the air. i have to say if the u.s. military is that much out front this early on in claiming that they struck him, they must be fairly confident that indeed he was hit. whether he was killed or not will take some time. >> caddy kay. >> i was wondering if you could put together pieces of the puzzle. it looks like the killing not confirmed yet. which would be a blow for isis. >> yet at the same time we're getting these problems being claimed by the islamic state. where would you put the organization more broadly at the moment in its capacity? >> in its capacity it remains high. it's operational tempo was high. i think the

oil, and kidnapping, and here to break down the financial footprint of the terrorist group, thomas sandersonhreats project at the center of strategic international studies of life, and director of research and analysis for the middle east and north americas. that simple? is it oil revenue? >> i think that's a big part of it, but we have to look at, you know, every other single revenue stream they are getting. you mentioned kidnappings. isis got millions of dollars from ransoms they got from a number of european countries in exchange for the hostages. also, you have to look at the grand picture here. besides oil, they are taxing people. there are 3 to 5 million people under isis rule, taxed, most of the people pay .10 earnings including -- >> tithing. >> and so on, and, also, they are taxes nonmuslims. big christian population there pays, you know, something to the effect of one golden denar a year, amounts to 4.25 grams of gold, or equivalent of that, and these are just two revenue streams that are bringing them millions of dollars. we are seeing a lot of isis supporters online trying to fun

us now democratic senator chris cons of delaware, also the director of international studies, thomas sandersonr house majority leader who has just endorsed jeb bush for president. >> senator, let's begin with you. what do we need to be looking for from congress? there's more talk about aggressive actions and possibly more boots on the ground. do we need to declare war against isis? >> first, we have been at war against isis since august of last year when we began running a military action taking carair strikes against them. the president sent an authorizization for military force up to congress in february of this year. we haven't taken it up or debated it or authorized it. that's our constitutional responsibility. it's difficult for us to come to consensus against our policy and strategy but we should. second, we need to do our homework and have a responsible by partisan conversation about what is the refugee screening policy and what are the we weaknesses and threats and what more should we be doing to fund and support the department of homeland security so it can keep us safer and it can ma